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Thread: Does your SHTF rifle have a red dot or magnified optics?

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    Aimpoint Comp M3 2MOA in a LaRue LT-150 mount on a Colt 6920 .
    Troy folding rear BUIS .

    I'm considering switching the LT-150 for the cantilever LT-129 so
    that I have enough room to use either a detachable magnifier
    or more room for night vision .
    Honestly the magnifier would be more for fun then practicality
    so it wouldn't be left on there .

    If I ever have to use a rifle at night I'd REALLY hate to have to use
    iron sights or a regular scope .

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    My go to rifle is my SBR with an Eotech EXPS 3-0. I also have a magnifier for it. The other two AR's are a 16" SR15, which is about to get a new TA33 and a 17" Noveske with a 4-16x scope. These three cover everything from CQB to long range. If I had to rely on one, it would be the SBR, with the magnifier at close hand in case I needed it.

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    I have an ACOG TA31-F with 45 degree offset iron sights on my carbine, but then again I live in Kansas, for a SHTF situation with all the flat open space I want a magnified optic without batteries.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tylerw02 View Post
    Target identification? I'd recommend using binoculars or a spotting scope for that. I would advise against pointing a firearm at a person to figure out who they are. Don't point your weapon at something you don't wish to destroy. Know your target. Treat all firearms as if they are loaded. I'd hate to think I'm having a loaded firearm pointed at me as I approach my neighbors to borrow a cup of sugar, just so he could id me.
    Who says you can't point loaded weapons at people for ID purposes? The 4 weapons safety rules mean nothing to me given certain extenuating circumstances.

    (Probably not the best idea for the pic)
    Last edited by Eurodriver; 02-02-14 at 21:12.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eurodriver View Post
    Who says you can't point loaded weapons at people for ID purposes? The 4 weapons safety rules mean nothing to me given certain extenuating circumstances.
    Extenuation of what, and for what reason? Extenuation of firearm safety rules like not pointing weapons at people you're not intending to perforate is generally dependent upon exigence; which obviously doesn't exist in the above photograph.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dead Man View Post
    Extenuation of what, and for what reason? Extenuation of firearm safety rules like not pointing weapons at people you're not intending to perforate is generally dependent upon exigence; which obviously doesn't exist in the above photograph.
    Put me in a combat situation and I'm using any tool I have to observe everyone and everything as effectively as possible. When a pregnant woman might be a 40 year old man with a suicide vest and all I have is a 4x ACOG on top of my rifle, I really don't give a shit what someone on the internet thinks are appropriate observation techniques.

    Unless I missed something in the definition of "SHTF" in the title, we're not talking about an LEO SWAT standoff or a private square range with a bunch of idiots that require strict adherence to the 4 safety rules for liability and safety reasons.

    Have fun with your binoculars.

    Edit: I removed the pic as it was a bit unnecessary for the thread.
    Last edited by Eurodriver; 02-02-14 at 21:13.
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    Let's think about this for a second.

    We're talking about a SHTF scenario right? I'd assume that to mean everything has gone to shit and it's pretty much survival mode for humans right?

    With that being said, we engage a hostile threat. Let's say that hostile threat is in a group. We were readily able to identify that particular person as an immediate threat. But, we don't know if the rest of the members in that group is a threat. We engage known threat, assess threat, scan for more targets right? Are you saying that we should immediately sling our rifle and take out our trusty binos to look for another threat?

    Or would we use the current tool at hand (For me that would be a 1-4X24 NF)? Basically engage threat, end threat, scan, assess and re-engage hostile threats. I would do this all while looking through my scope.

    Are you saying that we shouldn't do this?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dead Man View Post
    Extenuation of what, and for what reason? Extenuation of firearm safety rules like not pointing weapons at people you're not intending to perforate is generally dependent upon exigence; which obviously doesn't exist in the above photograph.

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    I'm right with you.

    Maybe it's a peaceful kind of SHTF type thing?

    Maybe it's the one where we're supposed to win hearts and minds with flowers and weed???

    Quote Originally Posted by Eurodriver View Post
    Put me in a combat situation and I'm using any tool I have to observe everyone and everything as effectively as possible. When a pregnant woman might be a 40 year old man with a suicide vest and all I have is a 4x ACOG on top of my rifle, I really don't give a shit what someone on the internet thinks are appropriate observation techniques.

    Unless I missed something in the definition of "SHTF" in the title, we're not talking about an LEO SWAT standoff or a private square range with a bunch of idiots that require strict adherence to the 4 safety rules for liability and safety reasons.

    Have fun with your binoculars.

    Edit: I removed the pic as it was a bit unnecessary for the thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TACTICAL45 View Post
    What scope mount is shown in that picture?

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    My N4 has an Aimpoint PRO. It was designed for hard use and sitting around a lot. Sounds like my rifle.
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