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    I've never particularly cared for the battlecomp even when it was "Muzzle Device of the Month." I find that the 5.56 version is more harsh to be around than the BABC.

    In my testing of .308 devices, both the A2 style and BABC produced a downward push on a 16" MWS, although the BABC was far more controllable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1911-A1 View Post
    I think if anything this article points out that BC has been lagging behind in development and testing while other brake/comps have come to market. BC was first making these claims back when they WERE the best in the game and one of the only tactical comps on the market, they just haven't done much since then so that now they appear to be dishonest.
    That's a very good point.
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    I have never experienced "downward push" with my BC 1.0

    I dont care if it makes slightly more, or less noise than an A2 FH.

    IMHO, the BC 1.0 is the best muzzle device i have personally used. Id like to own a KAC TT, and have a KX5 planned for my current build.

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    I've used damn near every muzzle device on the market for 3gun. Surefire, SJC Titan, BC, the numerous other gamer comps. I've always come back to the Battle Comp and have been using a BC 1.0 on my 3gun rifle and now all my rifles exclusively for the last 2 years. Nothing, FOR ME or in MY OPINION, works better. I refuse to use the SJC Titan, while it works great, I refuse to make anyone double up on ears AND then blow them away with the stupid amount of concussion.....

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    I read AT's article and so last range session compared 3 16" AR's (close a comparison as I could get without swapping parts etc). One w an A2, BCM and Surefire. The A2 was more a baseline. The BCM had slight downwards push but no recoil. The surefire had about the same recoil but no muzzle movement. The BCM was obnoxious to stand near due to volume and the owner states he hates the headache it gives him but loves the results down range (wtf?). Shooting the surefire & A2 were more pleasant when it comes to sound & concussion. Standing to the side they were all nasty. Although not as nasty as the AR another guy had w an AK74 muzzle brake - shudders.

    So basically find what you like & what works best for you - marketing & internet scientists be damned

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    Quote Originally Posted by harm View Post
    So basically find what you like & what works best for you - marketing & internet scientists be damned
    I'm an engineer as well as some of you and I like tangible, measurable metrics. The problem is, MDs seem to elude this requirement. I wholeheartedly disagree with 50% of people's opinions and posts on their experiences, and yet again with this supposed scientific testing.

    So I quoted you because I think I agree with it. It seems EVERYBODY has a somewhat different opinion and experience on the matter.

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    The NSA spies on you through your BattleComp. Just like the Angry Birds app.
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    I am similar in that I come from a science background and like hard numbers or data, however I do agree that I never completely trust anyone else's findings. Trust but verify. This does seem to be the case with muzzle devices, where I prefer to get my own results. As Robb mentions, weapon set up, ammo, cold or not and shooter style can skew individual results, so indeed there may not be that "One" device for everyone.

    So for evaluation for my own style and needs, I try to have similar to identical set ups when testing, but I generally end up swapping devices on the same rifle and I will do that with various rifles set up differently. I judge rearward recoil traveling into the shooter which is easy enough to gauge from feel. I track muzzle movement in any direction by shooting at an IDPA target standing, unsupported at 50 yards using a red dot optic. During slow fire it is pretty easy to note how far the dot moves in relation to the center 8" circle or if the dot even stays on the target. I judge concussive blast from behind the weapon and maybe more so from next to or under the device from varying distances. For low light IMO photography and video do indeed lie as to what my own eyes have seen, therefore in order to judge this criteria it is essential for me to see how much the optics dot is obscured or not from actually shooting the weapon and of course I need to observe the device perform from various angles.

    Having said this before and saying it again, the BC is not the best at any one thing, except perhaps being one of the best at being a hybrid or more well rounded of course still being classified as a compensator, which of all of its attributes that is its primary job. There are other pure comps that do a much better job, but as mentioned to some shooters, they often have unreasonable trade offs. I had some screaming results, literally with the SJC Titan as an example but traded it back out for a BC on my go to fun rifle.

    I have no ties to BC and I am always seeking improved alternatives. I just put together 2 new rifles with very similar stats, one wearing a BC the other wearing the new device. I only test fired both weapons for function and a group all done from a mag rested prone so I will not draw any definite conclusions at this time until I get a chance to shoot it more, but I will say that in that brief session I am feeling less enthusiastic about it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Koshinn View Post
    Anyone else read the article and have thoughts on it?
    After what I thought was a pretty damned complete and even-handed look at steel-cased ammo....? That they kinda "phoned it in," on this one. Robb nailed some of the stuff that's glaring by nature of its absence. If the dude and his running buddies don't "like" BC products, or feel that they somehow don't live up to their reputation, whatever....fine, but their efforts to fully quantify things fell pretty short, in this instance.

    Intangibles: The downward push folks speak of occurs with my BC1.5-equipped 14.5" barrel, but not until about the 5th round of really rapid fire, and that's when I'm wholly pulling the gun to me. "Stretch" the gun, though (firing hand pulls the pistol grip to shoulder, forward hand pushes downrange) and it doesn't occur that I'm able to discern, no matter if I send a whole mag out the tube...

    ...and I'm NOT hanging instrumentation offa me to find out what I'm personally unable to discern without it, so son't ask.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JSantoro View Post
    After what I thought was a pretty damned complete and even-handed look at steel-cased ammo....? That they kinda "phoned it in," on this one. Robb nailed some of the stuff that's glaring by nature of its absence. If the dude and his running buddies don't "like" BC products, or feel that they somehow don't live up to their reputation, whatever....fine, but their efforts to fully quantify things fell pretty short, in this instance.
    To build off what Mistwolf said, this article was an opinion piece building off of the muzzle device data collected in a previous post on the blog.

    I'm trying to stay somewhat objective - I have no dog in this fight either way, but I like to keep everyone aware of as many facts as possible.

    So Tuohy's testing methodology, as far as I can find, is as follows:

    Flash:
    Winchester Q3131 was used for the still photographs and Federal M855 was used for the videos. All shots were with (unless otherwise noted) a 16" AR15 in 5.56mm.

    Pressure:
    Brüel & Kjær 2209 Impulse Precision Sound Level Meter was used. Despite having been introduced in 1971 and looking quite like it could be an important quest item in Fallout 3, this is the device specified by the US Military and used by many silencer manufacturers to measure sound pressure level. The particular meter used for the test was provided by Rob Silvers of Advanced Armament Corp.
    First, using the military standard of 1 meter left of the muzzle and 1.6 meters above the ground, using Speer Gold Dot 64gr 5.56mm. These numbers represent the average of 10 shots.
    After I had expended every round of .223 and 5.56 in my house, I used 5.45 to measure sound pressure levels at the shooter's ear.

    Force:
    Using high speed video (courtesy of Silencerco) and multiple accelerometers, I will be able to show visually as well as mathematically how effective each device in the test is at recoil reduction. During a four month period, over 1500 rounds were fired to verify g-force data from the accelerometers.

    Quote Originally Posted by Surf View Post
    I have no ties to BC and I am always seeking improved alternatives.
    Thanks for the response!
    I have no ties to BWA (or any manufacturer in the industry), but have you ever tested their X-Comp? According to the tests, it should do better in terms of less flash, less rearward force, and less noise than the battlecomp while keeping the muzzle level instead of pushing down. I had never heard of it nor even seen it before Tuohy's tests.
    Last edited by Koshinn; 01-28-14 at 12:39.
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