Page 2 of 6 FirstFirst 1234 ... LastLast
Results 11 to 20 of 57

Thread: Known stag complaints?

  1. #11
    Join Date
    Jan 2014
    Posts
    62
    Feedback Score
    0
    I think I need to seriously think about it again. I am still just stuck on the fact that the colt is so much for something I would shoot one or twice a month. That's what happens with all my guns except my 10/22. They get used alternatively once a month at the range. I know that quality is always good but for my use is there really any justifiably set reason to spend near twice the amount? I'm sorry that I am sounding cheap and that I'm just ignoring your recommendations. But I'm not. That's something I face all the time no matter what I buy.

    For instance tools, I'm a mechanic so I bought high quality tools since I use them everyday. But the way I am I have a hard time spending money on features I'd not get back in return.

  2. #12
    Join Date
    Mar 2010
    Location
    Braselton, GA
    Posts
    1,727
    Feedback Score
    26 (100%)
    Quote Originally Posted by 19trax95 View Post
    I would probably be getting the stag for around $600. Is the m&p still a better choice if both are the same price? I know the guy well so the $700 is the price without any discounts or considerations on work done for him. I'm not set in stone on anything so don't think I am going for the stag just because I've been offered it cheap
    Quote Originally Posted by TehLlama View Post
    If it's a pure range use, the 'inferior' 1:9 twist massively overgassed barrels can be a better deal, just because they'll run cheap ammunition more happily, but cheap ammunition is yet another false economy a lot of the time anyway. The M&P Sport comes to mind because it's the cheapest rifle that is more than good enough for range stuff, a lot of in between brands get by on dealer networks and the assumption that because the MSRP is positioned where it is, so too must the quality.
    $700 is the low end of the 'not sure if value is a worthwhile proposition' range - like ASH said, once you've cleared $800, it's silly not to just price shop and get a 6920. The $600-700 range, you're about a case of cheap ammunition away in price, so the difference comes down to if you think you'll ever look at upgrading anything on it. The M&P Sport in terms of price differential would still get you a couple magazines and a good sling (MOE PMags, VCAS Sling), which are honestly the most valuable things you can get right away anyhow.

    The $600 rifles can withstand some money in parts and upgrades that make sense (MOE Line stuff - magazines, handguards, grips, stocks), but as soon as you're back to peeking above the $1000 mark, you'll be immediately haunted by the fact that a Colt or other top end option is in the same price range. 6920's can quickly become top end units with fairly cheap modifications (Centurion C4 FSP handguard, Aimpoint H-1, VCAS Sling, Surefire X300), each of which can come later, but the final product can be a serious fighting tool that still is great fun at the range.

    I'd decide based on how much you want to use it, and how much if any money you think you'll put further into the rifle.
    ^^^Very good post here!

    OP, to answer your specific question, if the Stag and the Sport were the same price, I'd buy the Stag. You at least get a forward assist, an ejection port cover, and a free-floating handguard, even if it is a crappy one. The barrels between the two are equal. You'll have to buy sights to shoot the Stag, you could shoot the Sport out of the box as it includes a Magpul folding rear sight.

    Another option that hasn't been mentioned yet is building something from PSA. If you watch their daily deals, you can build a rifle that has all the "mil-spec" boxes checked for around $500. They're a little over-gassed still, but as long as you stay away from their "PTAC" stuff, it's very good quality for anything under $1K.
    Semper Paratus Certified AR15 Armorer

  3. #13
    Join Date
    Aug 2013
    Location
    Duat
    Posts
    730
    Feedback Score
    2 (100%)
    The AR is a lot like the 1911. Price of admission is high even for entry level, but at entry level, you're kind of throwing all that money away. You pretty much need to to be prepared to drop the bucks if you want to own either. High performance platform should be built up with high performance parts. You're cheating yourself if you try to cheat your way into the gun.

    Otherwise, there are other semiautomatic magazine fed carbines that don't necessitate spending so much.
    Last edited by Dead Man; 02-04-14 at 14:45.

  4. #14
    Join Date
    Jan 2014
    Posts
    62
    Feedback Score
    0
    Oh, another thing I forgot to mention. The sights I have covered. My father bought an acog and he is selling his eotech. So I am buying the eotech at the "son discount" so basically shoveling his driveway and other house work. So all things considered I am still thinking. I may or may not go with the stag or m&p. Building is a possibility but I like a warranty which I believe both have a lifetime (I know ow for sure stag does and I think Smith does too but I'm not 100% sure) thanks for all your help. It really is nice to know that people actually care about what people are buying and offer help when needed. I moat certainly appreciate it

  5. #15
    Join Date
    Aug 2011
    Posts
    485
    Feedback Score
    17 (100%)
    Seeing as how you doubt you'll ever sell the thing, wouldn't you want a rifle that is well built, long lasting, and trouble free? I think the Colt is the better option there.
    OIF/OEF vet (Ramadi/Hit & Ghazni)
    Former Army infantry squad leader
    NRA Endowment Life Member
    NR-EMT

  6. #16
    Join Date
    Sep 2013
    Posts
    270
    Feedback Score
    0
    Quote Originally Posted by 19trax95 View Post
    I am buying my first ar within the next week or so. I am basically set o the stag model 3 (which I know is an entry level ar). I am not a hard core tactical guy and only shoot maybe 80 round a month at the most. I'm not new to firearms but new to ar ownership (my father has a bushmaster).

    So now on to my question. I have read up on this model quite a bit and the stag company in general. So I found 99% good reviews of both the rifle and the company. But I did find some negatives which don't really worry be to much. One being the barrel not being 4150 but rather 4140. It's chrome lined bit with the amount of shooting I do I don't feel like the steel would be an issue. And one stupid thing that keeps popping up is guys knocking on for the rill mark. That's not a consideration for me at all since I kind of like it.

    But I just wanted to get your guys opinions and maybe first hand experience with either the model 3 or the company. I am also getting a very good deal on it but just pretend that I am paying normal asking price

    Thanks for any input
    Stag is ok I suppose but they are not any better than other brands for less money. S&W M&P has been mentioned here. I would go with them if you HAVE to stay under $800 and you don't want to do a minor bit of assembly. If you're ok with a bit of assembly as was mentioned, Palmetto State Armory CHF and Prime offerings make great rifles for under $850.... and of course you cant go wrong with a Colt, just make sure to inspect you bcg and make sure its properly staked and the bolt is marked HPT/MPI, give it a once over for dings and nicks you cant deal with.
    Last edited by quaesitor logica; 02-04-14 at 15:55.

  7. #17
    Join Date
    Nov 2013
    Posts
    61
    Feedback Score
    0
    I purchased a CHF, CL, 1:7 twist midlength complete rifle kit from PSA. $650.00 shipped
    A stripped lower, get this Stag lower from a local gun show. $100.00
    And have a gun with a better barrel than what the Colt has for................$750.00
    This kit is a step up from their premium line, and you don't see it on sale often.

    Now do I have a better gun than the Colt?
    I believe I do, does it have better resale... probably not. But it shoots just as well as any Colt out their.
    And I think I would be hard pressed to shoot it out.
    The Colts being built today are not the same guns they used to be.

  8. #18
    Join Date
    Feb 2012
    Posts
    68
    Feedback Score
    0
    If its just a range toy but you want to learn the AR platform, look at the M&P 15-22's on the S&W forum. Someones got them for sale less than $370 and comes with 300 rounds of 22's. Use it for a while, if you want to step up to 556 sell it at little lose and buy a nicer rifle. I played with one at bass pro Friday. They are mostly polymer but pretty solid actually. I'm thinking about picking one up just for fun. Everything works like an AR, charge handle, bolt catch, mag release, safety, you can even drop in a nicer trigger meant for a mil-spec 556 lower. Mill spec buffer tube so all the stocks will work. Its worth checking out and is more cost effective then buying a cheap AR in the long run. If you decide to keep it there is a pretty big following with people making aftermarket parts, Better charge handles, ambi accessories, a new barrel nut that allows you to instal a new rail of choice.
    Last edited by Headcase650; 02-04-14 at 16:58.

  9. #19
    Join Date
    Mar 2009
    Location
    Virginia
    Posts
    846
    Feedback Score
    0
    Quote Originally Posted by C4IGrant View Post
    1. Everyone says this, but in the middle of the night, it might be what you grab when things go bad. Something to ponder.
    2. You are only $100-$150 over the $850 price. This is like comparing a BMW 7 series to a Ford Fiesta (and the BMW is only $1500 more). No one in their right mind would pass up that deal.
    3. As your knowledge grows, you will want away from this rail length.
    4. The heavier buffer is not magic and can only do so much. You still get more debris and more wear/tear on your gun.
    5. I know, no one ever sells a gun. Tomorrow is a new day and the collapse of the US currency just happened. You have no food or water. Your neighbor has both and likes your COLT. Do that math. ;-)



    Good luck.


    C4
    Pay heed to what this man is telling you. He is given you advice that most would pay for! If you don't follow his advice PLEASE remember this thread after your Stag purchase. Buy once, cry once. just my $.015
    "A free people ought not only to be armed and disciplined, but they should have sufficient arms and ammunition to maintain a status of independence from any who might attempt to abuse them, which would include their own government."
    - George Washington

    "Some of you would bitch if a hot blonde served you a perfect steak and beer of choice while naked and performed acts not described." Mark5pt56

  10. #20
    Join Date
    Jul 2013
    Location
    Montana
    Posts
    133
    Feedback Score
    2 (100%)
    The heart of the AR platform is the barrel and bolt carrier group. Whatever you do, don't "go budget" here. Starting with a high quality upper (like BCM or Colt) gives a good foundation to build from in the future. You can still get your Stag lower receiver, lower parts kit, and receiver extension/stock from your friend.

    If you get more serious about your AR shooting you can always change out the stag lower in the future.

Page 2 of 6 FirstFirst 1234 ... LastLast

Bookmarks

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •