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    I hate to be "that guy" but what exactly am I paying for with the higher price uppers and lowers? I know quality but the rifles I've held (name brand) have nice tight tolerances and the finishes all seemed to be the same. I'm not saying there is a difference but I just can't find them

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    Quote Originally Posted by 19trax95 View Post
    I hate to be "that guy" but what exactly am I paying for with the higher price uppers and lowers? I know quality but the rifles I've held (name brand) have nice tight tolerances and the finishes all seemed to be the same. I'm not saying there is a difference but I just can't find them

    you just said it, quality.

    ETA: me for example. I bought my DD during all the price gouging for MSRP. I was in the market for my first AR. did my research and pulled the trigger. I am quite confident that even if i threw my rifle into slick mud, i can pull it out, give it a rack and it will go bang.
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    But in what ways? I know I'm starting to sound like a di** but if I am going to consider going with a much more expensive model I need to know what I'm paying for.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 19trax95 View Post
    But in what ways? I know I'm starting to sound like a di** but if I am going to consider going with a much more expensive model I need to know what I'm paying for.

    Read the SPECS


    https://danieldefense.com/rifles/car...arbine-v2.html

    http://www.bravocompanymfg.com/speci...cm_m4_mod0.php


    http://www.stagarms.com/model-3/




    The obvious difference with the stag and the others is the BCG. the stag has a semi auto bcg, others, full auto.
    the stag has a 1/9 twist whilst the others a 1/7. the DD also features a hammer forged barrel.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 19trax95 View Post
    I hate to be "that guy" but what exactly am I paying for with the higher price uppers and lowers? I know quality but the rifles I've held (name brand) have nice tight tolerances and the finishes all seemed to be the same. I'm not saying there is a difference but I just can't find them
    Honestly, it's more about material (ie that 4150 vs 4140 argument) and QA/QC. Plus customer service should something go wrong.

    Now, I understand you have credit with your buddy FFL. And you have a budget. Everyone here is trying to help you figure out why other brands are better. But let me ask you this, what's the Stag offer that other brands don't?

    Stag isn't "horrible." I mean, it's a middle of the road brand, that supposedly is made from some decent parts. But, like others have pointed out, lots of offerings are in that bracket.

    Honestly, if you're on a budget, I'd take a look at the Equipment exchange. I bought a 16" Colt upper (without BCG or handguards, which I had already) for around $450 a while back. An assembled lower runs around $150-200 bucks today. Say that puts you in the $600-650 range. Right now BCG's can be had online right around $100. Get one from Rainier Arms, or maybe AIM Surplus, and you've got a quality weapon for about your $7-800 budget, but with a better barrel, brand, arguably a better BCG.

    But the smart move would be to take your buddy's store credit, buy a complete lower, a dozen mags and a case of 5.56, and buy a decent quality used upper and BCG from the EE. That puts you about $550 out of pocket (complete rifle, magazines, ammo). If you were to get the Stag, you'd have to pay around $100 for magazine and ballpark $400 for that case of ammo, so roughly same out of pocket cost for the same "package." But you'd have a higher quality upper, which is where most of the value of an AR is.

    Just something to think about.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 19trax95 View Post
    I hate to be "that guy" but what exactly am I paying for with the higher price uppers and lowers? I know quality but the rifles I've held (name brand) have nice tight tolerances and the finishes all seemed to be the same. I'm not saying there is a difference but I just can't find them
    If you shot say a bushmaster and then a BCM you'd understand that there is in fact a difference. I have a buddy who owns a Bushy C15, the last time we shot together I let him shoot my BCM for a while. After shooting my rifle, his exact words were "wow you can really tell the difference between mine and yours!"

    I see another poster has given you links to some specs, I'd check them out if I were you. There is a huge difference in quality between a commercial spec rifle and a mil-spec rifle.

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    now read this!! (Lol)


    I went on the stag site and for an additional $100, you can "upgrade" to the "plus package" which comes with everything a milspec rifle should come with. Which bumps up the price to $995. Same as a 6920.. Tada!:



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    Quote Originally Posted by 19trax95 View Post
    1. Strictly range use
    2. Yes, I am not against a colt but I feel like for my purpose spending 1k is just a waste because I can put the rest towards ammo
    3. Shooting my father's ar which also has a carbine length rail I find it fine. Since the only accessory I would put on is either a fore grip or grip pod
    4. The over gassed I've read on and frankly I don't know. I read that a heavier buffer can fix this bit not sure
    5. Resale isn't a big concern. I doubt I'd sell it as I've never sold any other of my firearms. BUT, as you said, that doesn't mean I won't sell it. So the resale is not a major factor but it is a small factor I suppose
    I'd get an M&P Sport then, which has gotten consistently good feedback and seems the no brainer AR in low cost/range plinker/ unlikely to fail if something goes bump in the night AR right now. For a few more $$, Colt.
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    Listen to what everyone says. Buy once and cry once. Later you can experiment with other levels of quality if you feel the need. I would never advise a friend or family member buying their first and possibly only AR to get anything less than a Colt 6920 or its equivalent from DD or Bcm. I have owned and own lower quality rifles including Stag and there really is a difference for the $200 or so you save compared to a Colt,DD,BCM. It is all about peace of mind and knowing that you own a quality rifle with quality components that was assembled properly to a known standard and specifications.

    Of course we all could just be crazy and have no idea what we are talking about. Which do you think is more likely.
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    Dude...no disrespect but you have received good advice from folks that know way more about these rifles
    Than you or I. You seem to be ignoring it. Get the Stag if it doesn't matter...for just a few more bucks you can get
    The Colt which is the benchmark AR. To me it would be a no-brainer.

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