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    What makes a competition gun not a good combat gun?

    I was reading DR's article on AA's new COR and started wondering why someone would want such a slick rifle like this for only some aspects of their life and not all of them. What can an M4 do that this can not, and vice versa? Personally I would consider this a very viable option for home defense or emergency situations. Would that be a poor decision?

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    Gaming and combat are two very different things. Think about it for a minute. Competetions are in short individual stages, usually shot by a single person.

    In war you could be out on a mission or operation for days, weeks, or months never working alone but as a apart of a team. You might have too live and fights in very tough environments such as mountains, deserts or jungles.

    I guess you could use a combat gun for gaming but you will not have a equal competitive standing with your competitors as their guns will be tuned for gaming.

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    Generally when it comes to competition, and I am speaking as an over all general aspect not solely to ARs, and I speak as someone who has shot competitions, you end up building the gun to run as fast as possible, and some a very select group of things extremely well. Often, those just shooting competitions are running their guns at the top end of performance and are often having to replace and repair parts that are breaking. I have shot trap and USPSA and I have seen guys having to replace springs between events because the gun was not running quite right or they were having constant malfs, or they had to change mags because the spring has worn some and since those mags are tuned tot eh gun they are causing it to malf this way or that. Also, a lot of competition guns are heavier than your regular duty, combat, or defensive gun. A friend of runs three gun, his AR set up with just optic, no light, no mag, and with a carbon fiber tube weights around 10 pounds. My BCM, with ACOG, light, and loaded mag sling and everything is 9.25 pounds currently. Also, a lot of guys will set up their gun for reloads, and have it tuned to cycle as fast as possible, often running lower power springs, which isn't something I am keen on if you are going to slap in full power loads.

    Now, once again, everything there is in general. I don't have personal experience with said rile above, but I suppose my point that I am getting to in a long winded reply is this. If you want something that is going to win you get something designed specifically for it. And by win, I am not just talking competition, I am talking combat as well. While there are certain things that do cross over, there are a lot of differences. I can, and indeed have shot trap with a Beneli M4, I broke targets just fine, but when I am wanting to go shoot a full on competitive shoot I grab my actual trap gun. The M4 looks cool, but my trap gun is easier to shoot several hundred rounds through in a day, and I win with it. Could I clear rooms with my trap gun? Sure, though the barrel alone is longer than my BCM middy with stock extended, but it would not be ideal nor my first or fifth choice.

    Basically, the mission drives the gear and I am not a fan of forcing something into a role it is not designed for if I can help it. If you want shoot competition and have the best chance of winning, run a gun set up exactly for that. For if shit goes sideways, have a gun set up for that.





    On a side note. If you want to just play around with competition shoots as a for of training, no reason to go game specific guns, shoot what you want and don't worry about winning, worry about getting rounds on target. I tend to be too type A and wanting to win, and I find the games fun and the people good to hang with and drink a beer with once the day's shooting is done.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tacti-square View Post
    I was reading DR's article on AA's new COR and started wondering why someone would want such a slick rifle like this for only some aspects of their life and not all of them. What can an M4 do that this can not, and vice versa? Personally I would consider this a very viable option for home defense or emergency situations. Would that be a poor decision?
    It could be used for home protection, but it's not designed nor intended to be that way. Like was mentioned, custom parts, tuning, muzzle devices, etc, all make these not really intended for combat (whether at home or abroad).

    Think of it this way, it's the same reason you typically wouldn't use an ar specifically designed for hunting for HD, or a target grade custom pistol for it as well. You CAN have an all rounded gun, but gamer guns are typically not well rounded as they are tailored for gaming, and gaming only.

    You can set an HD gun up with the same sights, rail, and scope if you want, but typically barrel choice, muzzle device choice, trigger, etc will be different than what you'd want to use for gaming.

    Other analogy I can think of is having an f1 race car. They may be epic in speed and handling, but you would't take on a rally racing track. Specific tools for specific jobs.
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    Bascally because a rifle set up for combat needs to be ultimately reliable under a variety of harsh conditions and function with a wide variety of ammunition. A comeptition rifle is tuned to function within a very narrow set of parameters and any changes, even as something as simple as ammo, can start the rifle to malfunctioning
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    Quote Originally Posted by MistWolf View Post
    Bascally because a rifle set up for combat needs to beultimately reliable under a variety of harsh conditions and function withaq wide variety of ammunition. A comeptition rifle is tuned to function within a very narrow set of parameters and any changes, even as something as simple as ammo, can start the rifle to malfunctioning
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    Quote Originally Posted by MistWolf View Post
    Bascally because a rifle set up for combat needs to beultimately reliable under a variety of harsh conditions and function withaq wide variety of ammunition. A comeptition rifle is tuned to function within a very narrow set of parameters and any changes, even as something as simple as ammo, can start the rifle to malfunctioning
    This. Pretty much what Kain said summarized in two sentences.

    If you want to tag a bad guy breaking into your home, a gamer gun will do. But don't expect 7 month long deployment reliability.

    p.s. I don't know why anyone wastes their time at Hernando, especially if they were coming from Sarasota.
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    Gaming guns are only reliable with the tight satin shirts one must wear when flitting around the stages. Forget about it!
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    Mostly mechanically inept people who can't make anything work unless it's mil-spec stuff.

    I see competition guns run like scalded dogs for years without a hiccup.

    Same guys who kick your ass with a 19 or 2011 are the same ones who kick your ass with a 'gamer' AR that didn't malfunction while he was outrunning you...

    *My only AR is a functionally stock 6920.

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    I agree its more a tolerance and tuning thing from what I've read. Maybe a gamer gun will go for thousands of rounds without cleaning. But how will the functionality be effected once you through dirt grime blood or anything else you'd find in a war zone? I believe if a gamer gun is what you have then a gamer gun is what you use. I think in one of the magpul tactical shotgun videos there's a guy using his competition gun. I believe he uses that gun because it is a gun he is most accustomed to shooting. That makes sense to me. I'm OK with forcing a gun into a new role if its what you got to work with.

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