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    Quote Originally Posted by TomMcC View Post
    I agree, the 1st purpose of firearms is serious and for that reason I have actually taken some schooling. But I can't afford to spend thousands on schools today. I need recreation of some sort, working 2 jobs for the last 20yrs wears a body out. I like shooting so I 3gun, it's relatively inexpensive, brings me a lot of happiness, and has definitely made me a better shooter, but tactics it's not. As for the original premise of the thread, I just don't think the hardware is all that different as some have thought. I'll watch the vid.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Skintop911 View Post
    I don't know if it's apathy or epiphany, but I'm finding myself less and less inclined to get twisted up about what other people are doing with their guns. I shoot matches with guys with uber-fancy F1 raceguns. They win some, I win some. At the end of the match, it's not their guns I'm taking home to defend my life, family, and home with. Just my own.

    The thing I have come to feel strongly about is not dismissing or denigrating those in the sport shooting and competitive disciplines. I've found that when deliberately contemplated, there are things they have to offer. And unlike many other folks, they are actually shooting their guns, with their strengths and warts in full view of others.
    Tons of people NEVER shoot their guns so you are right there.

    How they spend their time shooting is up for debate though.

    At the end of the day, I really don't care what people do. Just be the best at it you can.

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    Quote Originally Posted by C4IGrant View Post
    I have a somewhat blue collar/totalitarian view of firearms. Firearms first and foremost purpose is self preservation, preservation of loved ones and the overthrow of evil Govt's. A distant second is hunting. Owning firearms so you can play a gun game is silly to me and honestly don't understand it. To be clear, I see a huge benefit of competition, shot timers and tracking ones times and such.

    One of my favorite instructors made the comment that he would rather be good than lucky. IMHO, the people that survive gun fights (with zero training) are lucky and or the bad guy wasn't committed.

    If golf with a gun is your thing, drive on. Just realize that you are fooling yourself about the true purpose of a gun.

    I would suggest watching this vid from Kyle: http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4vPCqMo9TCg


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    Just pick the right tool for the job.

    For the sport of 3 gun, there are better tools than a stock AR-15 from (insert your fav brand here).

    My "Saves the day" Ar-15 rifle is a 14.5" Noveske with a Aimpoint Micro and a FH and is stock from Noveske. Hardly anything I would compete with personally.

    I look at it in this very simple manner, if I was going salt water fishing I wouldn't bring a fresh water rig and visa versa.

    Now if you like to shoot the gun games with your HD gun, that is also more than acceptable, it just depends on your personal approach and goals with respect to this subject. Are you their to get more shooting in, get more proficient with the gun, training, etc.

    No one persons opinion 's right on this topic, its very subjective and individualized.
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    The main difference from what I have seen by what I call "utilitarian carbines/rifles" and gamer guns are the fact that the gamer guns are usually modified in a way that makes them lighter and sometimes faster by changing buffers/springs, not having lights and possibly slings. Others were heavy and less "ergonomic" and set up in a way that accuracy was the main goal and not how the weapon handled.



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    Quote Originally Posted by C4IGrant View Post
    I have a somewhat blue collar/totalitarian view of firearms. Firearms first and foremost purpose is self preservation, preservation of loved ones and the overthrow of evil Govt's. A distant second is hunting. Owning firearms so you can play a gun game is silly to me and honestly don't understand it. To be clear, I see a huge benefit of competition, shot timers and tracking ones times and such.

    One of my favorite instructors made the comment that he would rather be good than lucky. IMHO, the people that survive gun fights (with zero training) are lucky and or the bad guy wasn't committed.

    If golf with a gun is your thing, drive on. Just realize that you are fooling yourself about the true purpose of a gun.

    I would suggest watching this vid from Kyle: http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4vPCqMo9TCg


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    It's a bit of a case where some racing series are at - rarified, silly specifications that essentially force some tech development with functional carryover, but it can look cool on occasion when it's done right; but stuff like TacOptics is a lot like the GT classes of cars where every now and again some trick tech may filter down to road cars, so I don't completely discount gun gaming for that same reason.

    I still have the utmost respect for anybody who will go to competitions and do the 'run what you brung' with their actual defensive setup - accept the fact that they'll probably get beaten, but use that as a better opportunity to train under different stresses, and maybe show a few of the others out there that the shiniest arrow is usually worth a lot less than having a better trained indian.
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    I'm just getting into competition and I'm doing it because it's fun as hell. My gamer gun is not that far from my "combat" rifle with. 18" NST upper, Geissele SD3G, T1 +3x magnifier.

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    Quote Originally Posted by discreet View Post
    I get it, your into gaming guns and think they will do just fine for HD. Same story as the people with DPMS rifles that think they will be just fine for HD. To each their own. I sure wouldn't take a dedicated gaming gun into a firefight, just like I wouldn't take a dedicated combat gun into a 3g competition.

    Again, to each their own. I bet most of the SME's would never go close to having a dedicated gaming gun for HD. But it's up to the end user in the end. All these custom parts, and finnicky things IMO have no place on a combat type gun. But then again, some people carry .22's for self defense also. Again, to each their own and there is no point in trying to convince you otherwise, as your set in your ways.

    Btw, try to type in paragraphs. I got about 2 sentences in to what you had to say as it was one huge jumbled paragraph. Also no need to assume many here don't know squat about tactics etc. You are in a forum filled with LEO's and Military people, including some SME's who have done lightyears more than you or I ever will in terms of Combat.


    Lastly when did any of us talk shit about gamers, or their shooting ability? When did we talk shit about their guns. The whole thing is about gaming guns used for HD/Combat. Nothing to do with putting down gamers or their tools. You are definitely twisting this around and obviously taking things way personal.
    There's a difference between combat and HD. Besides blasting out everyone's ear drums, (yes I'm exaggerating slightly), a competition gun would work well in home defense. Combat is an entirely different animal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Koshinn View Post
    There's a difference between combat and HD. Besides blasting out everyone's ear drums, (yes I'm exaggerating slightly), a competition gun would work well in home defense. Combat is an entirely different animal.
    Agreed. Inside a climate controlled enviornment where the gun sits cleaned and lubed is an ideal condition for reliabible function. A nightstand gun, whether it rests on top of the nightstand or leans against it, is slightly different in my mind than a combat/SHTF gun.
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