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    Quote Originally Posted by Tzintzuntzan View Post
    What are you talking about? I never said just buy a new gun and it will be made of adamantium. What I said was get two, test one out extensively to see if it's okay. If it is then set it aside and use the other to see what you like, or if you already know what you like then just put those parts on both as quickly as funds allow. I never said to just trust a carbine you've never tested to defend yourself.
    Your wallet, not mine. You can have 10 identical guns for all I care. I stand by the point that using something doesn't make it less reliable.

    But to each their own. I'm done with this debate as it seems rather pointless and never ending.
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    Quote Originally Posted by discreet View Post
    Your wallet, not mine. You can have 10 identical guns for all I care. I stand by the point that using something doesn't make it less reliable.

    But to each their own. I'm done with this debate as it seems rather pointless and never ending.
    If your point is that use does not lead to wear then I would disagree, however I get what you're saying and if someone is really on a very tight budget then I agree it's not the best plan. My point simply is if you don't have to do it, then I don't personally understand why someone would do it. I wouldn't consider this a big deal though if you're doing PM.

    Admittedly this is a bit off topic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by C4IGrant View Post
    Those that don't know Cold, he is an awesome shooter and also knows the difference between guns built for competition and ones built for defense/offense. While we don't share the same opinion about gun games, I respect his opinion as he has high levels of common sense.

    Thanks for the post Cold.


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    Thanks for the kind words, I probably should have not typed that on an iPhone as my post is full of poor grammar.

    I will say this, sometimes its fun to "run what ya brung" and anyone interested in getting into competition shooting of any discipline (USPSA, IPDA, 3 Gun, Steel Challenge, USCA, etc.) should start with what they have and go from there. You would be surprised at how many new shooters beat "seasoned local shooters with the fancy stuff" with fairly stock equipment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cold View Post
    Thanks for the kind words, I probably should have not typed that on an iPhone as my post is full of poor grammar.

    I will say this, sometimes its fun to "run what ya brung" and anyone interested in getting into competition shooting of any discipline (USPSA, IPDA, 3 Gun, Steel Challenge, USCA, etc.) should start with what they have and go from there. You would be surprised at how many new shooters beat "seasoned local shooters with the fancy stuff" with fairly stock equipment.
    More wise words. "Competition is the tool used to hone ones combat skills."




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    I've been considering finally joining my old work cohorts in the local 3-Gun shooting matches. I recently retired from the dept of corrections & was on the CERT team for a while, so I've had some training & look at it only as a way to try to stay sharp. I'm going out there with the guns that I actually USE- a Glock 17, an 870 & either my BCM or DD with Aimpoints. Most of the guys going out there on weekends, they have no illusions of ever being featured on 3-Gun Nation. They're just trying to improve on last weeks times, have some fun & maybe learn some new skills.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ironbutt View Post
    I've been considering finally joining my old work cohorts in the local 3-Gun shooting matches. I recently retired from the dept of corrections & was on the CERT team for a while, so I've had some training & look at it only as a way to try to stay sharp. I'm going out there with the guns that I actually USE- a Glock 17, an 870 & either my BCM or DD with Aimpoints. Most of the guys going out there on weekends, they have no illusions of ever being featured on 3-Gun Nation. They're just trying to improve on last weeks times, have some fun & maybe learn some new skills.
    I live in an area with a very active competition community. We have shooters that compete nationally and we have hacks who are just trying to hone skills. We have hacks and great shooters running specialized competition guns and defensive guns. Most are not fans of using competition guns as defensive guns. If you have never tried the game, take the G-17, the M4, and your 870 and go give it a whirl. 8 out of 10 who do this have gun problems. This is why running a competition from time to time is a good thing, you will learn the weaknesses in your weapons.

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    Since no one has really commented on it yet, what's the consensus about running light (2-4 lb) triggers on a defensive AR that has a safety?
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    Quote Originally Posted by why1504 View Post
    I live in an area with a very active competition community. We have shooters that compete nationally and we have hacks who are just trying to hone skills. We have hacks and great shooters running specialized competition guns and defensive guns. Most are not fans of using competition guns as defensive guns. If you have never tried the game, take the G-17, the M4, and your 870 and go give it a whirl. 8 out of 10 who do this have gun problems. This is why running a competition from time to time is a good thing, you will learn the weaknesses in your weapons.
    Other than not being particularly competitive, what sort of problems have they had with those weapons? Our 870's were our primary weapon in CERT & they were really run through the ringer every training day. I've never seen a malf with them. As for the M4 & G17, if they can survive a weekend carbine/pistol course, I don't understand what problems they would present running an afternoon 3-gun course.

    Just curious.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Koshinn View Post
    Since no one has really commented on it yet, what's the consensus about running light (2-4 lb) triggers on a defensive AR that has a safety?
    I don't know that there is a consensus. Personally, I don't want a light trigger on a defensive gun just like I don't want a ultra light trigger on a hunting gun. But, that's just me.

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    I've been shooting competitively for the last few years. Most of my shooting has been precision rifle, but I have done some 3 gun as well.

    My experience in precision rifle shooting has demonstrated a few things to me. Even in competition shooting, reliability is everything. Secondly, something with tight clearances can be both accurate and reliable. Thirdly, your equipment must be well-tuned and built correctly. You can't simply throw together a group of top tier parts and expect it to work like a Swiss clock.

    As said earlier in the thread, 4 MOA is acceptable for 3 gun. A Colt 6920 is capable of 4 MOA accuracy with military ammunition, though probably won't run as fast as a gun tuned to shoot that competition. Meanwhile, that competition gun may not cycle Wolf ammo without cleaning for 1500 rounds. Find a balance between ergonomics, durability, reliability, versatility, and accuracy that works for you and get as good as you can.
    Last edited by tylerw02; 02-10-14 at 14:22. Reason: Edited to cut out bullshit and get to the point.

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