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    I picked up one of the Spike's FN CHF barrels when they were first released. It has been a great, very accurate barrel. It has the 'double chrome lining' designed for the M249. It wasn't really something that made me choose the barrel, but it's nice to have something that was designed to last in a high-volume automatic weapon. From the way I see it, it can't hurt.

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    It seems that threads about barrel manufacturing always turn into a shit storm. Being M4C, I figured that we would understand by now that this issue probably isn't going to be resolved until each manufacturer displays their exact specifications for each barrel they would like to be produced by said company (FN). I'm not holding my breath. Does anyone have numbers or something measurable to go by?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ScatmanCrothers View Post
    You should probably sit this one out. So much contrived bs itt already, no need to prop up an argument with no legs.
    Yep, lets not try to fill in the O.P with real world performance on these barrels . Lets try to push a product instead. I dont know if anybody has noticed, but a DD CHF barrel sells for the same money as a regularly priced P.S.A barrel or Spikes barrel and Centurion barrels command a whopping $40 more , BCM BFH go for about $20 dollars more.

    I can see the Centurion Arms barrel being structurally different and it commands the biggest price difference. I wonder what kind of secret innovation BCM can buy for $20 that makes them such a superior product to P.S.A or Spikes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rekkr870 View Post
    It seems that threads about barrel manufacturing always turn into a shit storm. Being M4C, I figured that we would understand by now that this issue probably isn't going to be resolved until each manufacturer displays their exact specifications for each barrel they would like to be produced by said company (FN). I'm not holding my breath. Does anyone have numbers or something measurable to go by?
    Look at what the O.P asked and then go through the thread and see where the bullshit starts. If people just stuck to the facts and answered the O.P's question this wouldn't happen. The correct answer to the O.P question without brand fanboyism or salesman product bashing would be more like:

    The double chrome lining is designed to deal with the greater stresses automatic fire places on a barrel. If you purchase any of these barrels made by F.N and sold by respective dealers, you will get a quality made , accurate shooting and very durable barrel. That being said the you will in all likelyhood never exploit the advantages of double chrome lining being what it was meant for.

    O.P you would be equally well served by the fine products being offered by BCM and DD which have proven themselves to be as reliable and as accurate as all the other mentioned brands.


    Instead the O.P has to wade a few posts filled insinuations and unsubstantiated marketing spin to read posts that are unbiased.
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    Why is it there is always something dealing with PSA / Spikes people arguing with everyone else in almost every thread these days. One person voices their opinion on a dislike, and someone has to jump in because his favorite brand was put down. Good grief. Bunch o women in here. Lets try to at least salvage this thread and get it back to talking about chroming. Although I think this thread is like the others and will be locked soon.
    From TOS ... "buy the shit out of that thing, all the mil spec is just nonsense."

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    Bottom line on this is what differences exist? All of the examples given are anecdotal. My point was that there is likely some reason that FN sourced barrels from various manufacturers are different based on the specs required by each vendor. The challenge comes in quantifying those differences. For example, your PSA barrel may be a good shooter, but are all of them? Who knows? The only way to quantify it would be to get 10 barrels from each manufacturer, build them all up in identical fashion and test them for reliability & accuracy over several thousand rounds each. No one can afford that. Until then, I will choose to purchase barrels from companies that have proven to produce reliable and accurate barrels consistently for an extended period of time. For me, that's BCM & DD. I don't have experience with Centurion and the Noveske N4 I owned was on par, but not exceptional in the accuracy department considering the premium cost. PSA had a host of issues with QC early on and their ports tend to run large, so they're a no go for me. Spikes will never see a dime of my money because the owner is a D-bag. The whole thing is a value proposition. For me, I'll pay a little more to buy from BCM or DD. Others may not see the value in that and that's their prerogative.

    ETA: of all of the manufacturers using FN blanks, BCM is the only one I've heard of that routinely rejects items that don't pass their in house QC. How many others do you know of that have done the same? Depending on Brand, there are some assurances that the quality of the product has been held to a certain standard.
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    Quote Originally Posted by discreet View Post
    Overkill. IMO the only company that makes sense with it is Noveske.

    Outside of that, BCM BFH barrels IMO are better than any of the brands you posted above IMO. I steer clear of Spikes, definitely steer clear of PSA, and centurion, meh, for the price I'll personally take a DD or BCM. IMO look at the filthy 14 and how many rounds through a standard BCM barrel (non BFH) they put through it without issue. Unless your running crazy amounts of ammo through it in full auto, I honestly doubt you'd ever see or notice a difference with twice the amount of chroming.
    Because of posts like this stating personal bias when facts were asked for. You started this on the second post on this thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtdawg169 View Post
    Bottom line on this is what differences exist? All of the examples given are anecdotal. My point was that there is likely some reason that FN sourced barrels from various manufacturers are different based on the specs required by each vendor. The challenge comes in quantifying those differences. For example, your PSA barrel may be a good shooter, but are all of them? Who knows? The only way to quantify it would be to get 10 barrels from each manufacturer, build them all up in identical fashion and test them for reliability & accuracy over several thousand rounds each. No one can afford that. Until then, I will choose to purchase barrels from companies that have proven to produce reliable and accurate barrels consistently for an extended period of time. For me, that's BCM & DD. I don't have experience with Centurion and the Noveske N4 I owned was on par, but not exceptional in the accuracy department considering the premium cost. PSA had a host of issues with QC early on and their ports tend to run large, so they're a no go for me. Spikes will never see a dime of my money because the owner is a D-bag. The whole thing is a value proposition. For me, I'll pay a little more to buy from BCM or DD. Others may not see the value in that and that's their prerogative.
    I have not seen a single bad review of a Spikes or PSA CHF barrel and on that note I have never seen a bad review on any of the other barrels either. There is nothing wrong with buying a Noveske or BCM over a Spikes or PSA, in fact there is a proven advantage in doing so, if you ever want or need to sell your rifle, a Noveske or BCM will command a better price in the right market.

    Stating brand preference does not answer the O.P question in the slightest. His question was about double chrome lining and its inherent value and to this forums credit most replies on this thread actually dealt with the o.p's question
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    Quote Originally Posted by quaesitor logica View Post
    I have not seen a single bad review of a Spikes or PSA CHF barrel and on that note I have never seen a bad review on any of the other barrels either. There is nothing wrong with buying a Noveske or BCM over a Spikes or PSA, in fact there is a proven advantage in doing so, if you ever want or need to sell your rifle, a Noveske or BCM will command a better price in the right market.

    Stating brand preference does not answer the O.P question in the slightest. His question was about double chrome lining and its inherent value and to this forums credit most replies on this thread actually dealt with the o.p's question
    The question in the OP has been answered. The thread has evolved into a larger discussion about differences in the various offerings that all come from FN, which on the surface seem the same, CHF 4150 cmv "machine gun" steel, 5.56 NATO chamber, double chrome lined, etc. My point was that they may all seem the same, when in fact, they may not be in terms of reliability and accuracy, which derive from gas port size and tolerances spec'd by each manufacturer.

    Regarding brands, I don't pay attention to Spikes and there are a multitude of issues with PSA that have been posted here over the years ranging from over gassing or straight up wrong port size drilled in the barrel to improper assembly. They seem to have straightened out most of those issues these days though. The OP wanted to know what the differences in the FN sourced barrels were and that's what's been discussed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by quaesitor logica View Post
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    Stating brand preference does not answer the O.P question in the slightest. His question was about double chrome lining and its inherent value and to this forums credit most replies on this thread actually dealt with the o.p's question

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    I looked at DD and BCM and they don't list that type of chrome or steel. Is it really something special or worth going out of the way to get or is very specialized and more of a one off?


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    People are stating information so the OP can understand WHY DD/BCM barrels may or may not be a better choice than a spikes or PSA barrel, or even noveske or centurion for that matter. If gas port sizes and other specs do not matter to you that's fine. But saying that this information is irrelevant to the OP is factually incorrect.

    OP, there is a very good thread on DD's LW CHF barrels by Trident Here

    I would be very curious to hear what Iraqi Gun's opinion of spikes and PSA's FN barrels is.

    That's all I have for this thread. OP, Good luck on your purchase and HAVE FUN!
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