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Thread: Washington Times: Flaws in The M4?

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    Though i like H&K, and they make some of the best pistols, this almost seemed as an indirect push to go to a 416 DoD wide.
    Did I read the wrong article?

    The article I read didn't even mention the 416, let alone push for it to be adopted DOD wide. There was a single, incorrectly worded sentence that mentioned the HK G36 along side a statement condemning 5.56 leading you to think, incorrectly, the G36 isn't a 5.56 rifle.

    The article I read did mention both SCAR platforms. So, unless I'm completely stupid, which is certainly plausible and my spouse just might agree some days, I don't think this is a push for HK anything to be adopted DOD wide.

    ETA: This is just a re-hash of several articles of a theme that have been written since 2000 or so.....You either agree or disagree based on your intended use and/or experience. There is nothing new here and this particular article isn't even very well written.

    There are some valid points worth considering, again, in the context of your intended use. I don't find a lot to argue with the statement of effective range being a bit of a reported problem in Afghanistan.
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    I noticed the good general stated the US has been giving the troops unreliable rifles since WWII. So the M1 Garand was inferior to the Mauser K98 and the Arisaka?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Killjoy View Post
    I noticed the good general stated the US has been giving the troops unreliable rifles since WWII. So the M1 Garand was inferior to the Mauser K98 and the Arisaka?
    There are some (not me) who would take on the Mauser v. Garand argument! But that does give a bit of insight into the General's understanding of history as well as his knowledge of firearms.

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    Washington Times: Flaws in The M4?

    There are some (not me) who would take on the Mauser v. Garand argument! But that does give a bit of insight into the General's understanding of history as well as his knowledge of firearms.
    I wasn't there, but from what I've read: even the original selection of the M1 Garand (vs its competitors) was covered in controversy at the time. Various arguments of reliability, doctrine, cost, and supply issues.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SurplusShooter View Post
    I wasn't there, but from what I've read: even the original selection of the M1 Garand (vs its competitors) was covered in controversy at the time. Various arguments of reliability, doctrine, cost, and supply issues.
    There was great controversy. Every new rifle has teething problems and every rifle has it's strengths, weaknesses and quirks. In the end, it was the right tool for the job. The Garand proved itself the World Champion of Battlerifles.

    Our soldiers, carrying the AR in one configuration or another have won many more battles than their opponents. I think the M4 and our soldiers, marines, sailors and airmen have proved themselves quite well
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fjallhrafn View Post
    Maybe I missed something, but it seems that according to that (nearly four year old) article we should all be running Sprinco action springs and H3 buffer weights.
    That wasn't the point of the article or why I posted it.

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    I think I mentioned this before and I'll do so again.

    1. Set up and perform a more aggressive maintenance program.

    2. We have better ammo out there so why are we still issuing variants of the M855 trash. Something like the SOST or MK262.

    3. Do some serious research into a mid length gas system and see what happens.

    4. Use a better lubricant and have soldiers generously lube their weapons.

    I personally use Sprinco springs and I would be interested to see what would happen if they were to set up some test guns using the A5 and Sprngco springs.



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    Unfortunately with budget cuts potentially looming as I saw in the New York Times today, #1 will end up being "more clean" instead of PM. If the money is not there for maintenance, chances of someone getting the bright idea that clean = properly maintained go up exponentially.

    #2 I can agree with especially as the Mk318 is cheaper to produce than the M855A1.

    #3 Thought this was already played around with in earlier years. But agree it could be dusted off. But budgets and all...

    #4 See #1, Chances of getting new play pretties to include something as relatively inexpensive as lubrication in the days of budget cuts is slim to none. CLP will soldier on (no pun intended) and service members will continue to use it since the contracts are in place and it's a verified item.

    I'd actually prefer to see them take a look at better furniture and non operating system improvements myself before going on a large scale testing of a mid length system. SOPMOD stock, even something like the Bravo would work and be more durable than the issue stock. Possibly a Keymod handguard or as a minimum going away from the full length rails. Better/more durable BUIS. Good two point QD sling. Things that can be cheaply phased in that already exist to give a capability boost to the platform that don't require extensive research.
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    Now we're talking Keymod? Oh fukk me.
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