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    Quote Originally Posted by Kvjavs View Post
    Having received an "Aero Precision" lower parts kit in the mail yesterday, I'm on the fence about the quality now.

    While a minor inconvenience, if a company cannot be honest about their product, they don't deserve my money. While I'm sure it's an alright LPK, I was under the impression I was purchasing an AP LPK, but instead received a DPMS kit. Had I known, I would have ordered the kit from BCM and receive it next day (or 2nd business day) rather than the week wait.
    Very few to no companies produce an entire LPK's. The only one I can say that does is Colt. They also outsource parts as well (to the TDP specs). DD, LMT, S&W and DPMS are probably the three main companies that make several components in house.



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    Quote Originally Posted by sndmn11 View Post
    This is disappointing to me a long with their reply "They are made for us by the company who produces them for the M16 contract."
    To me, it would be nice (I understand it is not common), for a company to be up front and state who made their goods, and there shouldn't be an issue telling an inquiring potential customer when asked.
    Most every company out there sources BCG's. Colt is one of the very few companies that do both (make them in house and outsource them).

    Outsourcing BCG's isn't a problem AS LONG AS the company provides the manufacturer with specs (materials used, dims, coating, hardness, etc). Then, they HPT and MPI (use an accredited Lab to check) each and every one. If a company just orders "BCG" they will get whatever the manufacturer has sitting around. It is 100% realistic for a company like Colt or BCM to reject BCG's, send them back to the manufacturer and then they send them to a dealer that doesn't do the same level of QC.

    Read the BCM upper receiver thread that I wrote about them rejecting nearly 50% of the receivers they were getting in.



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    Quote Originally Posted by JBecker 72 View Post
    So I'm just imagining the $130 BCM BCG's that went up to $220 with a $30 NRA donation, and have now settled at $190 and don't look to come back down to normal ever? They said they went up in price to curb the price gouging that people were causing by flipping them, so they themselves raised their price, and never went back to the original like many other companies did when it settled down.

    Don't get me wrong, I like BCM, but there are basically 0 companies in the industry who didn't capitalize on the panic and make out like bandits from it. Some are just more egregious than others.
    In 2012, BCM raised prices on their BCG's by $5 dollars from the beginning of the year to the end. In 2013, they went up about $15 dollars. The reason for the increase was simple. Supply and demand. They could not meet the demand because of all the shortages throughout the industry. If you cannot meet demand, there is no reason to sell them for as cheap as you can.

    Even going back to 2011, BCM BCG's did not retail at $130. The reason I know this is because that's not far off my cost for them.

    Colt BCG's typically sell for $200-$250. So to me, the BCM's are fairly priced.


    YMMV.


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    Quote Originally Posted by C4IGrant View Post
    Very few to no companies produce an entire LPK's. The only one I can say that does is Colt. They also outsource parts as well (to the TDP specs). DD, LMT, S&W and DPMS are probably the three main companies that make several components in house.

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    Oh, yeah I know there's very few actual makers of small parts. For me it was the fact that they listed it as theirs, yet the invoice states DPMS.

    Either way, I'm sure it's OK for an LPK.
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    So I'm imagining buying a BCM BCG at $130-$135 in 2011? How about the uppers that used to be $419 and are now $459? I get supply and demand, but that time has passed, stuff is sitting on shelves compared to a year ago.

    And I don't put much stock in Colt individual prices, they can kick rocks there. Black Friday you could get a 6920 for $950 shipped. If you were to build that rifle in pieces it would be $2000.

    This is coming from a guy with BCM and Colt rifles in the safe. I just don't get why they get a pass on the price increase and everyone else gets nailed to the wall here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kvjavs View Post
    Oh, yeah I know there's very few actual makers of small parts. For me it was the fact that they listed it as theirs, yet the invoice states DPMS. Why not just sell it as a known LPK if that's what it is?

    Either way, I'm sure it's OK for an LPK.
    Understand. Most every company does this (fyi). So you should pretty much assume that a company did NOT make the LPK's they are selling.

    The reason they cannot sell it by the name of the manufacturer is because:

    1. Most people have never heard of the companies that make parts (so it is meaningless).
    2. Don't want to divulge where they get parts.
    3. They source parts from several different companies. So it always changes.

    We source our (G&R) LPK's from two main companies. One of them is LMT. Unfortunately LMT does not make things like springs and detents so we have to go to another company that does.

    From what I know, I only use LPK's (in my own guns) from these places:

    1. Colt
    2. BCM/KAC/LMT/G&R


    YMMV.



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    Quote Originally Posted by JBecker 72 View Post
    So I'm imagining buying a BCM BCG at $130-$135 in 2011? How about the uppers that used to be $419 and are now $459? I get supply and demand, but that time has passed, stuff is sitting on shelves compared to a year ago.

    And I don't put much stock in Colt individual prices, they can kick rocks there. Black Friday you could get a 6920 for $950 shipped. If you were to build that rifle in pieces it would be $2000.

    This is coming from a guy with BCM and Colt rifles in the safe. I just don't get why they get a pass on the price increase and everyone else gets nailed to the wall here.
    You might have for a little while. Somewhere in the middle of that year BCM raised prices. There were two main reasons for this. Shortages of parts and they added distributor sales. Once they did this, they had to raise prices so that the distributor and dealer could make a certain percentage.

    It is just as difficult to get quality items now as it has ever been. BCM (for instance) continues to add more QC, contract out more parts (made only for them) than ever before. All of this has a price.

    A company that doesn't do as much (or any) QC, doesn't in house HPT and send everything out to an independent lab for MPI and have a dealer sales network, can easily sell BCG's for $130.

    Cost of living, overhead, shortages in raw materials all takes its toll. If it bothers you stick to companies that sell cheaper gear.


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    Quote Originally Posted by C4IGrant View Post
    If it bothers you stick to companies that sell cheaper gear.


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    It doesn't, as you can tell from the last paragraph of the post you quoted. I'm merely stating my confusion for why certain companies price increases during the same time period are "shady", and others are fine. I plan on ordering another BCM BCG in the next week or 2 because I know it's a quality product, and the rifle it's going in isn't a toy. But at the same time I have to wonder if I'm paying $50 more for the name, when I could get a CMT M16 BCG from Bravo Company for $130.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JBecker 72 View Post
    It doesn't, as you can tell from the last paragraph of the post you quoted. I'm merely stating my confusion for why certain companies price increases during the same time period are "shady", and others are fine. I plan on ordering another BCM BCG in the next week or 2 because I know it's a quality product, and the rifle it's going in isn't a toy. But at the same time I have to wonder if I'm paying $50 more for the name, when I could get a CMT M16 BCG from Bravo Company for $130.
    I think the difference is that BCM told you why they did it. Other companies just let you guess. That's the difference.

    Less Colt, I don't know any company that does more QA/QC than BCM. The amount of money they spend on fixtures to check every critical dim is breath taking! On top of this, their give chit factor is extremely high.

    Buy with confidence.



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    Quote Originally Posted by C4IGrant View Post
    Less Colt, I don't know any company that does more QA/QC than BCM. The amount of money they spend on fixtures to check every critical dim is breath taking! On top of this, their give chit factor is extremely high.

    Buy with confidence.



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    That's why I continue to support them, and to a lesser extent, Colt.

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