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    Quote Originally Posted by Smash1969 View Post
    I never used to clean the bolt tail...until I noticed some pitting and corrosion on the tail of one of my Colt bolts. Figured it was trapping moisture and allowing it to corrode or pit the metal. So I started scraping it every time.
    That wasn't because you didn't clean it. That was because you put it away without re-lubing the inside of the carrier and the tail of the bolt first. A quick squirt thru one of the vent holes will prevent this.
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    I use a G&G Tools bolt cleaner / scraper / polisher.

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    There's carbon crud back in that part of the bolt and carrier? Sheet, well what da ya know? Never really bothered to pay any attention to it. Outta sight, outta mind. I guess it's time for the Dremel/Roto-Rooter method of bolt cleaning!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eurodriver View Post
    Some of the posters in this thread are doing more damage to their weapons than any bad will ever come from carbon on the bolt.

    Our CO (he was a Mustang, which might have something to do with it) specifically told our armorers to stop wet Q tip inspecting weapons precisely because mentalities like the above are not conducive to long term reliability. Having a sparkling clean weapon is not the litmus test for being a highly trained soldier anymore thanks to commanders with common sense and NCOs who've spent enough time in the suck to know it is just a way to play games with Lance Corporals.

    I know you specifically said you didn't want people like me replying, OP. But oh well. This thread is full of tons of bad advice and doesn't belong on this forum.
    Believe me....my weapons aren't sparkly and shiny clean. Especially my weapon downrange. But my personal shit that I leave in the gunsafe while I'm gone....I'm cleaning the carbon off of my bolt. I figure....it's hardened steel. I probably aint gonna hurt it getting it off. And like I said, I"ve seen pitting under that carbon when I've left it on there for extended periods. So since it belongs to me....and I paid for it, I'm cleaning it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Smash1969 View Post
    Believe me....my weapons aren't sparkly and shiny clean. Especially my weapon downrange. But my personal shit that I leave in the gunsafe while I'm gone....I'm cleaning the carbon off of my bolt. I figure....it's hardened steel. I probably aint gonna hurt it getting it off. And like I said, I"ve seen pitting under that carbon when I've left it on there for extended periods. So since it belongs to me....and I paid for it, I'm cleaning it.
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    The most I'll ever do is use one of those plastic picks to remove the bigger chunks but once it became difficult to do that I'd spray some more cleaner on it and see if that fixed anything. Once I get bored with that I relube and reassemble since it isn't worth the trouble. If you lube your gun before taking it out to the range to shoot it then you'll have less of a worry about bolt crud and crud sticking to parts in general. Hope that helps.
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    I agree with Eurodriver. If you want to clean the carbon off, go for it. But, using silly stuff like green pads and other abrasives will just remove the parkerizing or finish. I lube my BCG generously when I shoot. I do a BASIC wipe down, reassembly and lubrication. If I really get concerned about the carbon, I put some Froglube on it and then use an old bore brush and that's it. I have yet to experience any malfunctions or issues with any of my carbines and I shoot the SBR's suppressed. My last bolt had 18K on it before I replaced it due to a "kaboom".

    People do more damage by obsessing over some type of military white glove nonsense than they do by leaving some carbon on the bolt.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Iraqgunz View Post
    I agree with Eurodriver. If you want to clean the carbon off, go for it. But, using silly stuff like green pads and other abrasives will just remove the parkerizing or finish.

    People do more damage by obsessing over some type of military white glove nonsense than they do by leaving some carbon on the bolt.
    Exactly. A thorough cleaning before putting a weapon in the safe indefinitely makes a fair amount of sense to me and is what I do. A thorough cleaning every few thousand rounds on your shooters makes sense to do a thorough inspection. But leave the abrasives and power tools alone...please.

    Hoppe's Elite gun cleaner or it's counterpart M-Pro 7(or any modern cleaners/CLP's,) will work wonders if sprayed on, left, worked with a nylon brush/q-tips/patches, and then repeated as needed. If that sounds like a lot of work all the time...you're doing it too often. Just make sure that if you use a water based cleaner that you blow it out with compressed air and lube or make sure it's wiped completely dry and lube. If you absolutely must, non-chlorinated brake cleaner is an absolute beast, cheap, and will strip it down to nothing with very little work...albeit with some health hazards.

    No need to overthink. I used to participate in the great lube debates...and then I realized that guns are relatively simple machines and anything that could be described as slippery shit works well enough. Certainly some are better than others...but if you're staying away from crap like Rem-Oil and other super light lubes you'd be hard pressed to quantify those differences under most any circumstances.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eurodriver View Post
    Some of the posters in this thread are doing more damage to their weapons than any bad will ever come from carbon on the bolt.

    Our CO (he was a Mustang, which might have something to do with it) specifically told our armorers to stop wet Q tip inspecting weapons precisely because mentalities like the above are not conducive to long term reliability. Having a sparkling clean weapon is not the litmus test for being a highly trained soldier anymore thanks to commanders with common sense and NCOs who've spent enough time in the suck to know it is just a way to play games with Lance Corporals.

    I know you specifically said you didn't want people like me replying, OP. But oh well. This thread is full of tons of bad advice and doesn't belong on this forum.
    While we all agree that white glove inspections are BS, and that carbon build up on the bolt tail won't affect reliability, the notion that having "dirty" gear and weapons (as in poorly or improperly maintained) is an indication of professionalism and high level of training is also just BS.
    To me, having dirty gear, poorly maintained gear etc. shows a clear lack of discipline both at the individual level and at the unit level, in addition to it being an indicator of lax standards. It is then difficult to assess if these lax standards are isolated to just weapons and equipment maintenance, or if it is an issue in other fields as well.

    If you do not appreciate that carbon build up will hold moisture, which can cause corrosion, by all means, carry on. I also disagree with the notion that just adding lube will prevent anything IF there is moisture in the gun. I have seen lubed guns with moisture inside get locking in the armory, and taken out two weeks later full of rust. And I am talking HK416s, not old fashioned stamped sheet metal G3's.
    Cleaning the gun isn't stupid, it isn't a waste of time and it isn't pointless. The main factor at play when you see excessive wear is HOW people clean their guns, this includes both incorrect technique and incorrect tools. And honestly, if you take a dremel or something similar to a gun part to clean it, you deserve what you get...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arctic1 View Post
    the notion that having "dirty" gear and weapons (as in poorly or improperly maintained) is an indication of professionalism and high level of training is also just BS.
    To me, having dirty gear, poorly maintained gear etc. shows a clear lack of discipline both at the individual level and at the unit level, in addition to it being an indicator of lax standards. It is then difficult to assess if these lax standards are isolated to just weapons and equipment maintenance, or if it is an issue in other fields as well.
    I agree wholeheartedly with you in all respects, but I never said anything contrary to that. My post (and the commander's intent I'm referring to) is not to be "lax" with gear and weapon maintenance. I'm only specifically referring to scrubbing weapon components with brass, stainless steel, and other mediums to achieve white glove levels of cleanliness. That type of mentality is detrimental to performance and costs units (and civilian shooters) more money in the long run.

    For those who like their weapons clean because that is what they learned at Parris Island, that's cool. I'm sure your Drill Instructor would be proud, but I don't stand with my feet at a 45* angle anymore and I actually use both hands to eat dinner.
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