So I Have A Religious Question...

[SteyrAUG]

In the Jewish tradition if your mother is Jewish that makes you Jewish. Here we are talking about "racial Jews" (those considered Jewish by birth) vs. those who were not born to "racial Jews" but have converted to Judaism with regard to their religious beliefs.

So you can be a "racial Jew" even if you don't practice or observe Judaism or any religion for that matter. If you convert to Judaism that doesn't make you a "racial Jew."

With that out of the way, according to Jewish belief the first woman "Eve" was Jewish (Genesis) and for that matter so was Adam. The story of Genesis was unique to Hebrew religion before the existence of Christianity or Islam, so there is no way Adam or Eve could be anything other than "racial Jews."

So wouldn't that technically make every person on the entire planet a "racial Jew"? Wouldn't that qualify everybody (including Pharaoh) as "chosen people" according to Jewish belief?

Wouldn't that mean that even Christians, Muslims and even atheists would qualify as "racial Jews" even if they don't practice Judaism just as modern people born to a Jewish mother are considered "racial Jews" regardless of their religious beliefs?

Did I just discover a "chosen people" loophole?

[Onyx Z]

I'm not too sure what you're asking, but Christianity began with Jesus Christ, who was born as a Jew. When Jesus ascended into Heaven, He literally handed the key/reins of Catholicism down to St. Peter, who was one of the 12 apostles and the first pope of the Catholic religion. All of the other christian religions spawned from Catholicism, so I'm lumping Christianity into Catholicism for arguments sake (plus I'm Catholic...)

The main difference between Catholicism and the Jewish religion is the belief that Jesus is the son of God. Catholics believe He truly is the son of God and Jews do not. Adam and Eve came waaayyyy before Jesus Christ so that point is moot.

FWIW, I've never heard of "racial Jews", "chosen people", etc. But, I do have the utmost respect for other religions. I don't force my religion on others and I expect others do the same.

[SteyrAUG]

I'm not too sure what you're asking, but Christianity began with Jesus Christ, who was born as a Jew. When Jesus ascended into Heaven, He literally handed the key/reins of Catholicism down to St. Peter, who was one of the 12 apostles and the first pope of the Catholic religion. All of the other christian religions spawned from Catholicism, so I'm lumping Christianity into Catholicism for arguments sake (plus I'm Catholic...)

The main difference between Catholicism and the Jewish religion is the belief that Jesus is the son of God. Catholics believe He truly is the son of God and Jews do not. Adam and Eve came waaayyyy before Jesus Christ so that point is moot.

FWIW, I've never heard of "racial Jews", "chosen people", etc. But, I do have the utmost respect for other religions. I don't force my religion on others and I expect others do the same.

My question was, in the simplest terms, according the Jewish belief wouldn't everyone actually be considered Jewish?

And I went into great detail to note the difference between a "racial Jew" and somebody who simply practices Judaism. Because "being Jewish" is more than just religious observance, there are actually two kinds of Jews.

Christianity and Catholicism, as well as other religions, are actually irrelevant to the question for the reason you noted, they came after the fact.

[crowkiller]

Through Abraham, Isaac, Jacob came the Jewish people and through them God gave the Law and prophets to mankind and His Son Jesus Christ. It all started with the covenant given to Abraham and was carried through Isaac and Jacob(Israel). I guess technical answer the Jewish people started with Jacob(Israel) ALL his descendants are Jews the same cannot be said for Abraham and Isaac because of Ishmael and Esau. The covenant began with Abraham though.

[Honu]

What crow killer said but I would change race to people of or nation of as Jew are not a race
The US decided to call them that not to long ago though ? Like 30 years ago recent !
Like Christians are not a race
Descendants of common ancestors as crow killer laid out and did not start until then
Pretty sure all Jewish folks say ancestors started with Abraham, Isaac, Jacob

Hebrew are a people and language but not a religion
Learning Hebrew can be important for learning more and understanding defining many things in the bible

[crowkiller]

What crow killer said but I would change race to people of or nation of as Jew are not a race
The US decided to call them that not to long ago though ? Like 30 years ago recent !
Like Christians are not a race
Descendants of common ancestors as crow killer laid out and did not start until then
Pretty sure all Jewish folks say ancestors started with Abraham, Isaac, Jacob

Hebrew are a people and language but not a religion
Learning Hebrew can be important for learning more and understanding defining many things in the bible

I changed it to people I always thought race to mean a group of people with a common bloodline ancestry. I googled the term race and I guess there is some differing opinions on it.

[montanadave]

I, for one, reject your premise, Steyr, as I have no intention of giving up bacon.

[Ryno12]

So wouldn't that technically make every person on the entire planet a "racial Jew"?

I'm assuming you're asking that since we all ascended (in theory) from those two individuals, we should all be the same race as Adam & Eve. Correct? Wouldn't that also make us all the same color too???


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[sandman99and9]

OK, now I need to make a huge plate of bacon for breakfast


S.M.

[TiroFijo]

When you look at the Ashkenazi jews (about 83% of all current jews in the world) you kind of wonder how much of the original semitic blood line is really left there...

http://www.livescience.com/40247-ash...ean-genes.html

"more than 80 percent of the maternal lineages of Ashkenazi Jews could be traced to Europe, with only a few lineages originating in the Near East"