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Thread: SBR/Trust/Form 1/Engraving Question

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    Quote Originally Posted by scottryan View Post
    Your trust name should be:

    Hebert Revocable Living Trust

    For two reasons:

    1. If another family member uses the firearm with the last name of Hebert, it will not cause confusion and confrontation with local law enforcement about who really owns the firearm.

    2. It is shorter to engrave for a Form 1 gun.

    #1 is the reason (to address the "why so serious" question earlier in the thread) to use a last name. Just one less thing for LEO to worry about. Never been a fan of the more "creative" trust names.
    #2 would lead me to have his trust name Hebert Living Trust or even Hebert Trust (the trust itself would clarify the revocable aspect)


    If I was the OP, I'd amend my trust to change/clarify the name before I filled out any forms and submitted them, or engraved any firearms.
    Last edited by BigWaylon; 05-04-14 at 22:33.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigWaylon View Post
    #1 is the reason (to address the "why so serious" question earlier in the thread) to use a last name. Just one less thing for LEO to worry about. Never been a fan of the more "creative" trust names.
    #2 would lead me to have his trust name Hebert Living Trust or even Hebert Trust (the trust itself would clarify the revocable aspect)


    If I was the OP, I'd amend my trust to change/clarify the name before I filled out any forms and submitted them, or engraved any firearms.


    Agreed.
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    Since we're busting out numerical lists...

    1. I don't carry my Forms with me. It's a tax document, not a permission slip.
    2. My full, legal name is on the Forms because I signed them as the Grantor.
    3. I don't let anyone use my NFA weapons without me being present.
    4. My examiner actually included a sticky note on the first batch of forms I sent in that said "I like your trust name!" (Irrelevent, but neat)
    5. Read all of the threads in the NFA section...how many posts are dedicated to "I can't fit my trust's name on my lower!" and "What to name my trust?" etc. It's really not a big deal and people vastly overthink it. Whether they want to get creative or do "Lastname Trust" doesn't matter. But people need to see that the name of the Trust has absolutely zero legal effect on the right for it to possess NFA items.

    Regards,
    Grantor of "In God We Trust".
    Last edited by Eurodriver; 05-06-14 at 09:37.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eurodriver View Post
    Since we're busting out numerical lists...

    1. I don't carry my Forms with me. It's a tax document, not a permission slip.
    2. My full, legal name is on the Forms because I signed them as the Grantor.
    3. I don't let anyone use my NFA weapons without me being present.
    4. My examiner actually included a sticky note on the first batch of forms I sent in that said "I like your trust name!" (Irrelevent, but neat)
    5. Read all of the threads in the NFA section...how many posts are dedicated to "I can't fit my trust's name on my lower!" and "What to name my trust?" etc. It's really not a big deal and people vastly overthink it. Whether they want to get creative or do "Lastname Trust" doesn't matter. But people need to see that the name of the Trust has absolutely zero legal effect on the right for it to possess NFA items.

    Regards,
    Grantor of "In God We Trust".
    That is awesome. Love it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eurodriver View Post
    Since we're busting out numerical lists...

    1. I don't carry my Forms with me. It's a tax document, not a permission slip.
    2. My full, legal name is on the Forms because I signed them as the Grantor.
    3. I don't let anyone use my NFA weapons without me being present.
    4. My examiner actually included a sticky note on the first batch of forms I sent in that said "I like your trust name!" (Irrelevent, but neat)
    5. Read all of the threads in the NFA section...how many posts are dedicated to "I can't fit my trust's name on my lower!" and "What to name my trust?" etc. It's really not a big deal and people vastly overthink it. Whether they want to get creative or do "Lastname Trust" doesn't matter. But people need to see that the name of the Trust has absolutely zero legal effect on the right for it to possess NFA items.

    Regards,
    Grantor of "In God We Trust".
    I put my full name, no abbreviations, as well as city and state in box 4H on a Form 1 just so there are no empty boxes on the form for the examiner to cogitate over. I actually engrave my first initial and last name, city and state (abbreviated), as the law requires. I have them engraved out of site in the trigger well. The font can be 1/16th of an inch tall. Not intrusive. I carry a reduced-size copy of my approved Form 1 rolled up and stuffed in the storage compartment of my iMod stock.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hmac View Post
    The font can be 1/16th of an inch tall. Not intrusive.
    For the record, there's no minimum size requirement for the name and location. The only requirement is that it be a minimum of .003" deep.

    The minimum height of 1/16" is specific to the serial number only.

    Now, getting something .003" deep and legible means you're not going to go much below 1/16" anyway, just wanted to point out it wouldn't matter if you did.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eurodriver View Post
    Since we're busting out numerical lists...

    1. I don't carry my Forms with me. It's a tax document, not a permission slip.

    Yes I understand people do this, but you can expect to have a confrontation with local LE if you do not.


    5. Read all of the threads in the NFA section...how many posts are dedicated to "I can't fit my trust's name on my lower!" and "What to name my trust?" etc. It's really not a big deal and people vastly overthink it. Whether they want to get creative or do "Lastname Trust" doesn't matter. But people need to see that the name of the Trust has absolutely zero legal effect on the right for it to possess NFA items.
    That might not matter on a $150 off brand lower but when you are building multi thousand dollar imported sbrs such as a sig553 or HK g36, this stuff matters.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eurodriver View Post
    4. My examiner actually included a sticky note on the first batch of forms I sent in that said "I like your trust name!

    I can assure you the higher ups at the ATF don't think your trust name is cute, neat, or clever.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scottryan View Post
    Yes I understand people do this, but you can expect to have a confrontation with local LE if you do not.
    I shoot that SBR with cops at almost every carbine course I take. I would be absolutely astonished if any law enforcement officer ever asked to see my NFA paperwork. Even if most cops knew what an SBR was, I doubt they'd know there was a paperwork requirement. And in fact, this state has no law that SBR's be registered with the state or with ATF. SBRs are even statutorily mentioned. For them to be concerned with my legally-used rifle would be them enforcing Federal law...the vast majority aren't inclined to take the time.
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