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From WeaponMan: "Then there was Vietnam, in which Mac gave us MacNamara’s 100,000 (which was more like 200,000, low-fuctioning recruits and draftees, or, to be blunt, retards)."
About seven paragraphs below the Mustang interior photo.
http://weaponsman.com/?p=15030#comments
I normally enjoy this blog, but this is beyond the pale. I thought these smears and sneers were long in the past.
The beasts of modernism have mutated into the beasts of postmodernism—relativism into nihilism, amorality into immorality, irrationality into insanity, sexual deviancy into polymorphous perversity. And since then, generations of intelligent students under the guidance of their enlightened professors have looked into the abyss, have contemplated those beasts, and have said, “How interesting, how exciting.”
—Gertrude Himmelfarb, On Looking into the Abyss (1994)
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Reminds of me of the photo meme depicting Army standards during peacetime as Captain America and wartime standards and Betelgeuse.
I find his criticism of McNamara valid.
Daniel
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i'm with him on McNamara too. A micro-managing narcissist and incompetent armchair general.
The beasts of modernism have mutated into the beasts of postmodernism—relativism into nihilism, amorality into immorality, irrationality into insanity, sexual deviancy into polymorphous perversity. And since then, generations of intelligent students under the guidance of their enlightened professors have looked into the abyss, have contemplated those beasts, and have said, “How interesting, how exciting.”
—Gertrude Himmelfarb, On Looking into the Abyss (1994)
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Documentary: Fog of War
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0317910/?ref_=nm_knf_i1
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The sad thing is this was true. It was called "Project 100,000" and it was McNamara's brainchild to recruit low quality personnel to meet numbers in Vietnam. More evidence that McNamara was one of the worst defense secretaries in American History.Originally Posted by uffdaphil
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_100,000
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Vietnam draftees were hardly "retards." My dad sat out after 2 years in college and got drafted.
The McNamara jabs are totally justified. My dad often blames him for the awful roll-out of the M16, as he was there for the whole M-14 to M-16 transition and the jamming of the M-16s due to the ammunition and lack of cleaning kits. To this day, my dad still hates that rifle. He looks at my Colt and say, "son...that rifle would get men killed."
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The blog states 200,000 "retards" were sent to Viet Nam. Not at all the same thing as merely lowering admission standards. Those serving in-country were pretty much a cross section of society sans the elite "fortunate sons," especially when college deferments were used up or folks dropped out. Check out the average education level of the "Greatest Generation" compared to Viet soldiers. Was WW2 won by even more retarded retards? Ask yourself how a group diluted by 200,000 extra retards, could, on average, become more successful than non-serving members of their generation.
Last edited by uffdaphil; 04-16-14 at 12:39.
The beasts of modernism have mutated into the beasts of postmodernism—relativism into nihilism, amorality into immorality, irrationality into insanity, sexual deviancy into polymorphous perversity. And since then, generations of intelligent students under the guidance of their enlightened professors have looked into the abyss, have contemplated those beasts, and have said, “How interesting, how exciting.”
—Gertrude Himmelfarb, On Looking into the Abyss (1994)
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No one on this site is saying that they were. My dad was also in Vietnam (volunteer) and father in law (drafted). Nearly 2 million men were drafted between 1965-73. Over 95% of the soldiers drafted met pre 1965 military standards. It is a fact however that McNamara did implement a program to draft less qualified personnel (Project 100,000) for the war. It is sickening to learn about McNamara's complete disregard of the soldiers lives who he should have served.
It is sad that the original blogger didn't research the topic better before writing his blog.
Last edited by crusader377; 04-16-14 at 12:55.
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They might have been "less qualified" but they do not deserve to be referred to as "retards" by anyone. Many of them probably took a bullet, lost a leg or are still classified MIA.
It is very disrespectful if you ask me.
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No one on this site is saying that, but Gunblog is: "...Vietnam, in which...200,000...retards." I don't even necessarily object to a lowering of admission standards if needed to build strength quickly. Armies have always done that in dire need. It's the insult of those who served that most makes me see red. So what if some had less education or a lower IQ. They served honorably and competently
The beasts of modernism have mutated into the beasts of postmodernism—relativism into nihilism, amorality into immorality, irrationality into insanity, sexual deviancy into polymorphous perversity. And since then, generations of intelligent students under the guidance of their enlightened professors have looked into the abyss, have contemplated those beasts, and have said, “How interesting, how exciting.”
—Gertrude Himmelfarb, On Looking into the Abyss (1994)
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