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Thread: KNS Anti Rotation Pins....Is it a fluke or is there something technical behind it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skyyr View Post
    Not true. At ~1,000,000 trigger pulls before wearing out (probably a low estimate), it'd be easier to simply replace a lower receiver for $100-200 than it is to absorb the extra $5, $10, $20 - whatever it is - cost per every carbine the military buys. Most of them don't see that many rounds in their lifetime and would not be close to wearing out, so it's a saved cost.

    The military does not always do things the best way, they simply attempt to do them the way that's most effective with how they currently operate.
    That's what I mean.

    Most civilians will never shoot that many times to need Anti-rotation pins to begin with. If Military-issued rifles don't use them, then much less a civilian who shoots less.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JusticeM4 View Post
    That's what I mean.

    Most civilians will never shoot that many times to need Anti-rotation pins to begin with. If Military-issued rifles don't use them, then much less a civilian who shoots less.
    But the if they indeed COULD save a lower from wearing out then the additional cost to the civi shooter could be justified by many shooters eg Pre-ban lowers in certain states or registered M16 lowers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JusticeM4 View Post
    That's what I mean.

    Most civilians will never shoot that many times to need Anti-rotation pins to begin with.
    The KNS pins are likely to cause more problems before that anyway. There is NO NEED for fixed pins.

    A high volume of fire on a fixed pin might lead to a pipe cutter effect on the pin. Then when that pin fails, it could yaw and deform the lower's pin hole.

    Fixed pins are just retarded bullshit nonsense.
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    I have one lower that after a series of unfortunate events ended up a little out of spec and trigger pins would walk out. That lower now has a set of KNS pins in it to remedy the problem. Other than that one though, all my other rifles have the standard pins in them with zero issues. So with the exception of using it as a fix for walking pins, I see no use for them.
    Last edited by Wolfpack45; 05-02-14 at 08:39.

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    If military weapons are unaffected by the so called rotation problem so are civilian registered M16's. 99% of those that own these guns will never put the amount of rounds or abuse on them to even make a difference.

    Quote Originally Posted by wildcard600 View Post
    But the if they indeed COULD save a lower from wearing out then the additional cost to the civi shooter could be justified by many shooters eg Pre-ban lowers in certain states or registered M16 lowers.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Iraqgunz View Post
    If military weapons are unaffected by the so called rotation problem so are civilian registered M16's. 99% of those that own these guns will never put the amount of rounds or abuse on them to even make a difference.
    hence the use of IF and COULD in my post.

    besides most military rifles wear out from cleaning rather than shooting it seems.
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    Notice I said abuse. Abuse also means dissembly and assembly in an incorrect manner, with incorrect tools.

    Quote Originally Posted by wildcard600 View Post
    hence the use of IF and COULD in my post.

    besides most military rifles wear out from cleaning rather than shooting it seems.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Iraqgunz View Post
    Notice I said abuse. Abuse also means dissembly and assembly in an incorrect manner, with incorrect tools.
    i guess you have more faith in the average gun owner than i do.

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    Quite the opposite actually and not sure how you drew that conclusion.

    Quote Originally Posted by wildcard600 View Post
    i guess you have more faith in the average gun owner than i do.



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    Didn't mean to start an argument over some pins. Personally, I think some of the problems people say KNS pins cause are just hearsay.

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