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    Quote Originally Posted by jerrysimons View Post
    I don't get it, are BCMs polymer rail sections substandard because they are keymod? I am all for competition but was really hoping Magpul would come out with keymod stuff.
    The biggest potential for success of M-lok is Magpul's massive manufacturing capacity to pump out affordable accessories.
    I'm glad they aren't just following the masses and putting out keymod because everyone else is. Keymod systems and accessories are on the verge of an almost guaranteed saturated keymod market within a year to date. If I was Magpul I wouldn't want to go that route either just to contend for a small percentage of a non-standardized market. Instead it looks like they're creating/adopting a system based on similar ideals that looks to offer the potential for a few advantages over keymod. Like you mentioned, their manufacturing capabilities focused on a new system could mean a homerun for them if it is an effective system. The price point will be key here and I have no doubt it'll be very competitive based on who we are talking about here. Looking forward to watching this pan out. Of course buyers of the previous latest and greatest are sure to have bunched panties over this though so hopefully this thread can stay on track with updates.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 351322 View Post
    The alloy does help keep the weight down, but I think the keymod is the biggest contributor to the weight savings. A rail using the keymod system can be a minimum of 0.080" thick per the print, I don't know what the KMR wall thickness is. If the KMR used a direct thead system like the CMR, it would have to be thicker to accommodate necessary thread engagement and heavier. If the KMR had four picatinny rails it too would be heavier due to the extra material. I could be completely wrong, but that is how I see it.
    Sorry I meant the kmr is so light even in relation to other keymod rails because of the alloy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lopro619 View Post
    Sorry I meant the kmr is so light even in relation to other keymod rails because of the alloy.
    Gotcha. Yeah, the alloy does make a big difference when comparing it to other kemod rails. Such as the KMR 13" is 7.7 oz while the NSR 13.5 is 11.0 oz.

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    I am curious to hear more (objectively) regarding the strength of the M-Lok system vs that of Keymod; I have read the release and the FAQ's, and it appears that Keymod didn't satisfy MagPul in regards to the strength of polymer/plastic attachments.

    If that is indeed the case, it is almost entirely a non-issue for me, I vastly prefer metal attachments for what little I bolt to my handguard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ScatmanCrothers View Post
    I'm glad they aren't just following the masses and putting out keymod because everyone else is. Keymod systems and accessories are on the verge of an almost guaranteed saturated keymod market within a year to date. If I was Magpul I wouldn't want to go that route either just to contend for a small percentage of a non-standardized market. Instead it looks like they're creating/adopting a system based on similar ideals that looks to offer the potential for a few advantages over keymod. Like you mentioned, their manufacturing capabilities focused on a new system could mean a homerun for them if it is an effective system. The price point will be key here and I have no doubt it'll be very competitive based on who we are talking about here. Looking forward to watching this pan out. Of course buyers of the previous latest and greatest are sure to have bunched panties over this though so hopefully this thread can stay on track with updates.
    Everyone and their grandmother knows who Magpul is. If Magpul had decided to go with the keymod, they would have done very well, especially with their MOE line up.
    Last edited by 351322; 04-23-14 at 16:45.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BTL BRN View Post
    I am curious to hear more (objectively) regarding the strength of the M-Lok system vs that of Keymod; I have read the release and the FAQ's, and it appears that Keymod didn't satisfy MagPul in regards to the strength of polymer/plastic attachments.

    If that is indeed the case, it is almost entirely a non-issue for me, I vastly prefer metal attachments for what little I bolt to my handguard.
    It says in the FAQ that the keymod undercut would be very difficult to make for the injection process (handguards) and a custom made tool is needed for CNC. Both of those would be costly. Also if attached to a plastic handguard, over time the handguard would deform and and allow the keymod attachment to creep.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BTL BRN View Post
    I am curious to hear more (objectively) regarding the strength of the M-Lok system vs that of Keymod; I have read the release and the FAQ's, and it appears that Keymod didn't satisfy MagPul in regards to the strength of polymer/plastic attachments.

    If that is indeed the case, it is almost entirely a non-issue for me, I vastly prefer metal attachments for what little I bolt to my handguard.
    What do you mean? On the Keymod both the hardware and rail are all metal. If the actual piece of gear is plastic, then that really is an issue with the gear, not the attachment.
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    Magpul just responded on TOS on exactly what the problem with keymod and their polymer is.

    "As stated before the KeyMod's conical head bolts were designed for metal and are not a viable solution for mounting accessories on polymer handguards such as the MOE series. On plastic materials, the conical mating surfaces of KeyMod will either promote cracking or loosening due to creep and deformation of the polymer material. So using KeyMod on MOE series handguards was not an option.

    We would have been perfectly happy to adopt another standard...we certainly would have rather used the design and engineering time to work on actual physical products. We set out to test everything out there, and talked to manufacturers of metal rails as well as using our own experience in polymer. After the dust cleared from shaker table time with heat cycles, live fire, pull out testing, drop tests, etc., etc., we ended up with M-LOK.

    We thought about this one for a while, as we didn't want to be seen as muddying the marketplace "just because", but the results from our testing, and the response from our initial contacts with metal rail manufacturers about the ease with which M-LOK is machined made the case for release." - Magpul

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    So M-LOK was just made to keep polymer accessories in mind? err, seems like a lot of research and work for that niche in the market. But they know what they're doing so I am sure it will be a success for them.

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    OK, another standard. This is going to get ugly. I don't want plastic attachments either, but the thing that bugs me is the HD-DVD vs. Blu-Ray type issue that confuses the market and pisses people off when they find out that their rail cannot accept the newest direct attach kit because a vendor only supports one or the other.

    I guess it'll be interesting to see what happens. I'll stick with keymod until there is a compelling reason to change because I don't see anything compelling right now.

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