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    Quote Originally Posted by Koshinn View Post
    That's such a poorly written article, I'm surprised he made it to LTC. Or perhaps that's why he stopped at LTC.

    I'm not referring to the content, but the article itself.

    The content... I couldn't even figure out what point he was trying to make. But I go back to my point that most casualties are caused by high explosives, not small arms.
    This. Thought it was just me. Kept waiting for the "meat" after the intro as to why the current rifle is so bad, and it never came. If someone can cliff note the important points, I'd appreciate it. Went right over my pointy - non AR platform expert - head.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Slater View Post
    The Vietnam-era M16 and a current M16A4 (or M4) are pretty similar with regards to the internals.
    But so is a 1960s car and a modern car. The actual differences in performance and other important metrics are leagues apart however between 60s era cars and modern.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WillBrink View Post
    But so is a 1960s car and a modern car. The actual differences in performance and other important metrics are leagues apart however between 60s era cars and modern.
    True, but I think Sullivan was referring to the generic M16/M4 system as a whole. His opinion is that we should be on an entirely different design by now, although nothing (so far) seems to offer a quantum leap over the existing weapon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slater View Post
    True, but I think Sullivan was referring to the generic M16/M4 system as a whole. His opinion is that we should be on an entirely different design by now, although nothing (so far) seems to offer a quantum leap over the existing weapon.
    Not an expert here, but I'd bet most who are, would take the best of the modern AR platform has to offer in a caliber like 6.5 or 6.8 then any new design still using 5.56. The modern AR is a vetted robust design that seems to do its job if you do yours, but like all designs, is a compromise between various goals.

    Many think it's time we get rid of the internal combustion engine (to keep the auto example) but the fact is, costs, logistics, and need, just are not there yet. So, we continue to improve on the basic design because it works.

    Don't forget, there's always some group out there "field testing" all manner of stuff reporting to someone, that's likely keeping track of the results to incorporate at some point.

    There's some very smart people in the mil among the "others" who recognize a real change in the rifle platform everyjoe uses, is likely going to be a total change from the ground up and the need simply not there compared to the costs, logistics, and current priorities and the AR platform "good enough for gubment work" for some time to come.

    That's my understanding anyway.
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    One thing few folks realize about the M4. A bare bones M4 weighs, what? About 6-7 lbs? It handles heat as well or even better than other rifles weighing 9-12 lbs bare. Folks keep saying we need to improve on this 50 year old design but no one has anything that is as light, durable, accurate, rebuildable, configurable, reliable, simple, easy to use and pleasant to shoot. The whole argument is a tempest in a teapot and while folks keep getting worked up demanding something better, the AR FOW keeps chugging along, doing the job and doing it better than anything else
    INSIDE PLAN OF BOX
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    2. MATCH SCRATCHES ON MATCH-BOX
    3. MATCH LIGHTS FUSE TO TNT
    4. BOOM!
    5. HA-HA!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by MistWolf View Post
    One thing few folks realize about the M4. A bare bones M4 weighs, what? About 6-7 lbs? It handles heat as well or even better than other rifles weighing 9-12 lbs bare. Folks keep saying we need to improve on this 50 year old design but no one has anything that is as light, durable, accurate, rebuildable, configurable, reliable, simple, easy to use and pleasant to shoot. The whole argument is a tempest in a teapot and while folks keep getting worked up demanding something better, the AR FOW keeps chugging along, doing the job and doing it better than anything else
    Please stop bringing relevant facts to the argument. People can't whine in their editorials when you do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grand58742 View Post
    Please stop bringing relevant facts to the argument. People can't whine in their editorials when you do.
    My bad!
    INSIDE PLAN OF BOX
    1. ROAD-RUNNER LIFTS GLASS OF WATER- PULLING UP MATCH
    2. MATCH SCRATCHES ON MATCH-BOX
    3. MATCH LIGHTS FUSE TO TNT
    4. BOOM!
    5. HA-HA!!

    -WILE E. COYOTE, AUTHOR OF "EVERYTHING I NEEDED TO KNOW IN LIFE, I LEARNED FROM GOLDBERG & MURPHY"

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