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Thread: The Weapons of Marine Recon: Everything You Wanted To Know And More

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    Very cool stuff, thanks for posting

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    Quote Originally Posted by Failure2Stop View Post
    Yeah, since we didn't want folks to destroy their expensive suppressors, we had the audacity to change pin locations to ensure their safety.
    Shooting a suppressor made to use a muzzle device for front end stabilization on a barrel with no muzzle device is going to result in a shot-up can.
    Explaining it that way makes a lot of sense. I can see why and end user may not know why they won't work on the different systems.

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    Cool....The little dig a threw at KAC was pretty funny. I'm sure they did it for a reason but funny nonetheless.
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    I think that how .mil end-users view their weapons, and how "enthusiasts" view their weapons, has some interesting divergence.

    For the military folks, it's all about weight and how well the weapon does it's job. They're obviously willing to carry weight, if it does something positive for how their weapon functions. "Enthusiasts" are much more weight conscious, and I've never understood that. If anything, regular joes should care less about weight, because they don't carry their weapons long distances on foot.

    I understand that less weight is nice, but there are accessories that even regular joes should have, like optics and lights, even for your HD/SD weapon. All this uber light-weight build stuff is rather silly to me.
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    I want all guys who open threads about scratches on their guns to look at the Recon firearms and then go to the mirror and slap themselves in the face.

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    Quote Originally Posted by M&P15T View Post
    I think that how .mil end-users view their weapons, and how "enthusiasts" view their weapons, has some interesting divergence.

    For the military folks, it's all about weight and how well the weapon does it's job. They're obviously willing to carry weight, if it does something positive for how their weapon functions. "Enthusiasts" are much more weight conscious, and I've never understood that. If anything, regular joes should care less about weight, because they don't carry their weapons long distances on foot.

    I understand that less weight is nice, but there are accessories that even regular joes should have, like optics and lights, even for your HD/SD weapon. All this uber light-weight build stuff is rather silly to me.
    I was just thinking about how a new 14.5" ELW Fluted with a KMR would have really saved some weight for him (shaved over a pound off his gov profile DD Rail).
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    Quote Originally Posted by BufordTJustice View Post
    I was just thinking about how a new 14.5" ELW Fluted with a KMR would have really saved some weight for him (shaved over a pound off his gov profile DD Rail).
    You have a great point. We've tossed a Bi pod onto the 14.5 KMR ELW and you can literally cover everything from contact shooting to 1000 yard hits with appropriate optic and ammo. 1000 may be beyond effective terminal ballistics, but the point is that the light gun REALLY covers a broad range of functions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Failure2Stop View Post
    Yeah, since we didn't want folks to destroy their expensive suppressors, we had the audacity to change pin locations to ensure their safety.
    It's been my experience that there's almost always a good reason behind changes to a product, even if it seems stupid to the end-user. Changing a product's design often introduces a cascade of new issues that have to be troubleshot, and it often necessitates changes to manufacturing, both of which can take a lot of time and cost a lot of money, so companies usually don't make changes unnecessarily. That being said (and this is not a critique of KAC specifically), it's also been my experience that, when making changes, not every company gives enough weight to the end-user's experience of using the product. There are always compromises in trying to find balance, and in this case it sounds like reliability and the safety of the soldier took precedence over cross-compatibility.

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    Quote Originally Posted by markm View Post
    You have a great point. We've tossed a Bi pod onto the 14.5 KMR ELW and you can literally cover everything from contact shooting to 1000 yard hits with appropriate optic and ammo. 1000 may be beyond effective terminal ballistics, but the point is that the light gun REALLY covers a broad range of functions.
    Yeah, these ARE the good ole days. Where a 6-point-something pound carbine can cover a kilometer with accurate fire.

    Just no reason to have a 10 pound 5.56 AR anymore.
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    OP, thanks for posting this. Good read.
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