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Thread: The Weapons of Marine Recon: Everything You Wanted To Know And More

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    Quote Originally Posted by markm View Post
    His write up is a perfect blend of REAL USE and Gun Guy opinion. Apparently he was wrong with the suppressor pot shot at KAC.
    I agree. I think he was going off what he heard more than anything. But as an end user of issued gear, you don't often look at forums to see what the manufacturers reasoning is. Having multiple mounts is a pain in the ass. We had Mk11s, Mk12s, M4s, 249 and 240s on the same patrol. All suppressed, none being cross compatible. We would spend a lot of time at local machine shops..."fixing" this issue. While now I understand the massive logistical undertaking of fielding a weapon system that is selected through a politics process, at the time I couldn't have cared less.

    So, having three rifles with different suppressor mounts (we would have a Mk11, SR-25, and M110 in the same OP..) might make sense to KAC. And it seems like they made this decision for the right reason (user safety). But they may be the exception.

    "Finally got my suppressor from NFA jail, now I can get all my 143.7-tooth mounts for my...wait....now all the new models have 178.6 teeth!?!?! And the mounts are out of production?"
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    Just looking at the bulk/weight of your load out makes my back hurt...

    You must be made of iron.

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    As part of getting M110s the Mk11 Mod O's were turned in as a one for one exchange.

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    Fantastic read!

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    Quote Originally Posted by R0N View Post
    As part of getting M110s the Mk11 Mod O's were turned in as a one for one exchange.
    That was the plan, and doing it unit by unit works and makes sense - then in the middle of OEF somebody realizes they're shipping piles of similar if not identical stuff back and forth, so they have units fall in on some existing stuff, let new units take in new stuff too. Let this happen over the course of a few years, and it's really easy to lard up an EDL with all sorts of redundant crap, or end up with M110's, Mk11's, Mk14EBR's, M40A3's and M40A5's in one unit alongside SR-25's and all the other stuff.

    Sustained military operations just have a way of finding small sources of 'dumb' and multiplying them be 'full retard', and that's definitely one of them. As bad as this was with small arms, the gratuitous quantity of specialized and partially defunct radio equipment we wound up with was staggering. We basically filled a 7-Ton with gear for just our nominally 6-man team.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TehLlama View Post
    That was the plan, and doing it unit by unit works and makes sense - then in the middle of OEF somebody realizes they're shipping piles of similar if not identical stuff back and forth, so they have units fall in on some existing stuff, let new units take in new stuff too. Let this happen over the course of a few years, and it's really easy to lard up an EDL with all sorts of redundant crap, or end up with M110's, Mk11's, Mk14EBR's, M40A3's and M40A5's in one unit alongside SR-25's and all the other stuff.

    Sustained military operations just have a way of finding small sources of 'dumb' and multiplying them be 'full retard', and that's definitely one of them. As bad as this was with small arms, the gratuitous quantity of specialized and partially defunct radio equipment we wound up with was staggering. We basically filled a 7-Ton with gear for just our nominally 6-man team.
    Yup. Take a few of those teams and plop them on a 25m x 50m square HESCO OP in the middle of nowhere with an ODA, sprinkle some visits from the SAS guys here and there, and good luck making heads or tails of what piece goes to which gun/radio/vic.

    Once, someone said I was lying for suggesting we had 240s suppressed. Their claim being based on the idea that such a cycle of operations could not be suppressed. But I'm fairly sure they didn't understand how those crazy things work anyway. They also asked what you would need a suppressed belt fed weapon for. Isn't that....I don't know...obvious?

    Locusts. Keen sense of hearing. They find your position because you were careless with sound discipline, you'll be begging for the Taliban to show up just to take the fury down a notch.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TehLlama View Post
    Sustained military operations just have a way of finding small sources of 'dumb' and multiplying them be 'full retard', and that's definitely one of them. As bad as this was with small arms, the gratuitous quantity of specialized and partially defunct radio equipment we wound up with was staggering. We basically filled a 7-Ton with gear for just our nominally 6-man team.
    Retrying this quote for a particular but unrelated piece of the described wisdom.

    We had to have one gun truck, it was required by command to run the BFT and the chameleon. I know, trust me. But it gets worse.

    We asked them why we would have one Vic just to build HESCO walls around it, keeping it from doing...vehicle stuff. Like moving around on wheels for starters. They said it was necessary to keep the BFT up and running to keep track of the other vehicle-based OPs. How else would we know where they were? Maps are gay anyway. We also needed the chameleon in case the truck, which wasn't going to be moving anywhere, was targeted by RCIEDS. And the only radio we could reach Main with needed the antennae system on the truck.

    How would we keep these battery draining systems up and running? By running the engine.
    How would we conserve what little fuel we had? Only run the engine every three hours for 30mins.
    How would we start the gun truck if the batteries were dead? With slave cables.
    And how would we get power to the slave cables? By, you guessed it, running the engine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SOW_0331 View Post
    ......

    Sometimes, too many good ideas are terrible.
    See also: Good Idea Fairy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SeriousStudent View Post
    LOL, that son of a snake. In a war fought by men in remote locations, with rules dictated by men in air conditioned offices in DC, that little bastard seems to show up every time someone from command asks you to roll to a different tac...
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    thanks for sharing

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