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Thread: Did the ATF Open the Door for Manufacture of New Machineguns for trust?

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    23rd is coming soon....Guys please say a prayer...

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    T-Minus 3 day and counting.

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    what's on the 23rd?
    "I never learned from a man who agreed with me." Robert A. Heinlein

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    Quote Originally Posted by Koshinn View Post
    what's on the 23rd?
    Date in court for the lawsuit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AnthonyCumia View Post
    Date in court for the lawsuit.
    Honestly, what happens at the district level isn't very interesting. Whatever happens will be appealed, and that's where it gets interesting. So don't expect anything useful for another year or three.
    "I never learned from a man who agreed with me." Robert A. Heinlein

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    Quote Originally Posted by Koshinn View Post
    Honestly, what happens at the district level isn't very interesting. Whatever happens will be appealed, and that's where it gets interesting. So don't expect anything useful for another year or three.
    Very true.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Koshinn View Post
    Honestly, what happens at the district level isn't very interesting. Whatever happens will be appealed, and that's where it gets interesting. So don't expect anything useful for another year or three.
    Well we find out today.

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    Call me crazy but has anyone else thought of the other side of this-that there is a tax on the books that has been unchanged since 1934??? Go poking the bear too much and guess what happens then....Im all for the idea of owning new manufacture FA's but I do FEAR that this has the potential to backfire and then everyone will be screaming bloody murder as the cost of a tax stamp will be $1,000's. Sure the cost of the gun will go down but the cost of the stamp will go sky high. In 1934 the $200 was approximately on months salary for a lawyer, any guess what it is now? One damn big number.......

    Oh and before anyone has a fit over it, yes I own transferable Class 3 subguns and yes I shoot them. I also compete with them too and do well at it, but lets also face the facts-most of the common gun culture morons cant use a bolt action 22 safely or shoot the G19 that they use as their EDC and now lets open the door to them to get an M16 or MP5.......and y'all are crying about the cost of ammunition and how hard it is get hold of??? Yeah that one will be next.

    The same people who were scream at the "ban on M855" are the ones who helped cause the issue in the first place-by using the Sig arm brace as a stock for get past the SBR tax stamp. AR pistol sales soared due to every "bubba" having to have one so he could "stick it to the man" without looking at the recourse. The laws on the books say that there isnt to be any "armor piercing handgun ammunition on the market" Anyone remember when the 5.7x28 came out???? Why do you think that ammunition vanished quickly and the new stuff came out...for that very reason.

    I too will be keeping an eye on this but I fear that this whole thing has the potential to back fire in biblical proportions and then people will really feel the butt hurt!!!

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    I tend to agree with your line of thinking to some extent and I would lump in the dorks that wear their shitty Tapco SKS's to the Chipotle. Yes, it's legal, but what are the second and third order effects? It's people like that claiming to be pro-2A that are the ones hurting it the most. The best thing we can do as gun owners is to be the most level headed, responsible, upstanding citizens if we want to support the second amendment. I cringe when I see the guy in my neighborhood with all the conspiracy theory and pro-2A bumper stickers all over his minitruck. He's associating crazy with 2A which is an overall loss for the 2A. Would I like to build and register a new MG? Hell yeah! Is it worth winning the battle but losing the war? Not in my opinion. Let's get a pro-2A republican (or better yet Libertarian) in the white house and then force the issue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Got UZI View Post
    Im all for the idea of owning new manufacture FA's but I do FEAR that this has the potential to backfire and then everyone will be screaming bloody murder as the cost of a tax stamp will be $1,000's.
    What thousands? $3,503.31, maybe? (~15x more expensive?)

    So to drop a FA stamp on a standard AR lower would be $3,603.31?

    Down from $20-24K, that doesn't sound terrible...

    Quote Originally Posted by mkmckinley View Post
    I cringe when I see the guy in my neighborhood with all the conspiracy theory and pro-2A bumper stickers all over his minitruck. He's associating crazy with 2A which is an overall loss for the 2A.
    We're back where we were in 1934... how do you prevent stupid from gaining access to fully automatic weapons?

    1) A complex registration and background investigation process, with references, interviews, etc... and an appeals process for when McCrazy doesn't get his stamp.

    OR

    2) Just make them so expensive that losers can't access them.

    ...our ancestors chose 2.

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