liberal logic at its best

[rocsteady]

If I could only have one shot at explaining the problem with liberals:

http://therighttobear.com/gloria-ste...aign=140518RTB

[BoringGuy45]

The statist progressives are essentially sociopaths that have the same mentality of both a totalitarian tyrant and a serial killer. They have no empathy, no morality, and every person they meet they see as nothing more than a target to exploit. They care nothing for children; they see them as nothing more than a playing piece in their games. They will fight to save children to advance themselves, and they will just as quickly kill a child to advance themselves.

[MountainRaven]

"If banning guns and ammunition can save just one child, then we should strongly consider it."

And if making all guns - including those currently regulated by NFA - legal to buy over the counter with no background check and no 4473 can save just one child, we should strongly consider it, too.

[WillBrink]

If I could only have one shot at explaining the problem with liberals:

http://therighttobear.com/gloria-ste...aign=140518RTB

Meh, attempting to mix issues in that manner is nothing but self defeating to the 2A cause. Not all "liberals" are anti gun and lumping in abortion like that as an emotional bait a bad idea. By attempting to overlap issues (abortion and 2A Rights in this case) and more likely to push those on the fence say of 2A issues toward against when they think those who support 2A issues are all of the "God, Guns, anti abortion" position as that page gives the impression.

Yes, Steinem is a whack job who's delusional and totally out of touch with reality, that goes without saying, but I don't think that page helps the cause in any way. It also leaves a lot of people with more of a Libertarian leaning (myself included) alienated as they are often pro choice and understand the importance of 2A issues. Delusional seemingly hypocritical thinking not remotely the exclusive territory of the "liberal"

That page simply reminded me of how little I think of Steinem and how little I often have in common with many I share the 2A support

[SteyrAUG]

So if somebody shot Steinem before she was pregnant and had an abortion would that have saved one child?

Seems as reasonable as her twisted logic.

[Belloc]

There is actually a reason why those in office, in the media, and on the courts, who deny the right to keep and bear arms also deny the right to life, and that is simply because they are being philosophically consistent. Many gun owners might cringe at the bringing the two issues together, but in fact they are the same issue, and I have noticed that most of these gun owners and the gun grabbers in fact actually share a fundamental ideological view about gun ownership, namely that there is in fact no metaphysical First Principle establishing any natural law right to keep and bear arms. And this is important to keep in mind. The sad and tragic fact of the matter is that many gun owners simply and completely flat out reject the view of our Founding Fathers that the right to keep and bear arms and the right to life, both come from the hand of our Creator.

This in fact was the reason Thomas Jefferson attempted to warn us.
"God who gave us life gave us liberty. And can the liberties of a nation be thought secure when we have removed their only firm basis, a conviction in the minds of the people that these liberties are of the Gift of God?"

And why John Adams stated,
"Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other."

Their point? Once a people stop believing that their rights come from the hand of God, then it becomes rather easy to deny those people their God given rights, (i.e. the right to keep and bear arms, the right to life, the right to free speech, etc.) and to simply invent new so-called "rights" (i.e. abortion, homosexual "marriage", hate speech, etc.).

[NWPilgrim]

Well said Belloc. The two issues are the same, right to life and the duty to protect innocent life. What sense does it make to say some have the right to protect themselves when others are slaughtered without any right recognized?

[Belloc]

Well said Belloc. The two issues are the same, right to life and the duty to protect innocent life. What sense does it make to say some have the right to protect themselves when others are slaughtered without any right recognized?

Exactly. And the 'divide-and-conquer' tactic of the liberal "progressives" (both democrat and republicans) has been successful beyond their wildest dreams. They have very easily convinced many (including many gun owners) that the right to life, the right to private property, the right to keep and bear arms, the right to free speech, the right to worship, the right to assemble and to freedom of association, etc, are not in fact all the same philosophical and even metaphysical struggle for freedom and liberty.


And thus why I keep repeating that the one and only road back to greater freedom and liberty is to tear down and smash into dust every single last brick and stone in the repugnant ideological wall of these miscreants.

[Shoulderthinggoesup]

This thread promises to be a festival of hyperbole where everyone gets accused of hating babies and freedom. I might suggest that if everyone took the time to understand their political opponent's point of view, they might find they make much more effective arguments against them. Take a lesson from how ineffective the anti-gun crowd is with their hyperbolic hand wringing.


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[MountainRaven]

I guess I must hate babies because of my deep and abiding love for freedom.

Yay, this went sideways real fast.

My philosophical consistency is being left alone: You leave me alone, I'll leave you alone.

"Conservative" logic is to make women carry their children to term and then complain about single mothers raising a half-dozen children on their own, each with a different father. To use the power of government to force women to bring children into this world, and then complain when that same government forces them to help pay to raise those children.