Page 8 of 9 FirstFirst ... 6789 LastLast
Results 71 to 80 of 87

Thread: My First AR-15: CORE 15 M4 Piston. A Keeper????

  1. #71
    Join Date
    Dec 2013
    Location
    Boondocks NE Iowa
    Posts
    161
    Feedback Score
    0
    Quote Originally Posted by djegators View Post
    I've learned that when asked, I always speak what I feel is the truth...at least he who asked now has more info to go off of. Maybe he will go buy the Century refurbed DPMS for under $500 I saw recently, but at least now there is a chance he buys the Colt.
    First question I ask back is are they buying for "looky what I got" or are they going to use it. The best teacher I have found is letting them fire a couple of mine,field strip and let them see and feel the difference. Along with letting them know they are also making an investment. It's reasonably easy finding "used" to compare with. Once they experience the difference and doing their home work it puts a whole new light on spending a few extra $$$ for better and more reliable.
    Give Me the Eyes of an Eagle.The Courage of a Lion and the Balls of a Combat Helicopter Pilot. ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ

  2. #72
    Join Date
    Jan 2012
    Location
    Orange County
    Posts
    1,070
    Feedback Score
    1 (100%)
    Quote Originally Posted by Iraqgunz View Post
    Plinking AR's are a waste of time and money. If you want to plink get a .22 caliber AR like the MP15-22. Using budget to justify a shitty purchase is an excuse. The fact of the matter is that people who don't do research or act impulsively as Grant stated try to make excuses for a bad purchase. If I need something locally and cannot find it, I go to the phone or computer, I search for it and order it. It's really that easy.
    Quote Originally Posted by C4IGrant View Post
    I think it is a mindset issue. Every defensive calibered gun I buy, the thought in the back of my mind is; "Is it reliable, well made and suitable for extended hard use?"

    I don't know what the future holds for this country/world (maybe you do). I prefer to buy quality so I don't have to wonder about such things. On top of this, the better name brand AR's sell MUCH better than the lower quality ones do. On top of this, what we are talking about is usually $100 dollar price difference (if that). So the question I was always ask is, why bother???



    C4
    While I undestand and agree to most of your points, what I'm saying is that a mid-tier company making AR products can be sufficient for the casual shooter. Smith and Wesson for example. While not top of the line like BCM, DD, or Colt, a S&W rifle will probably work just fine for the new shooter who shoots less than 100rds a month.

    Budget constraints is a real issue also for some. If you feel that everyone should buy a $1k + rifle, I don't disagree with you. But it is a fact that not everyone who wants a brand name rifle can afford one. People have bills to pay, kids to feed, etc. But I digress...

    I point everyone that asks me what AR to buy a Colt6920 at minimum. But I cannot dictate what their budget will allow them to buy. If all they can afford is a S&W, I won't look down on them for that.

    Feel free if you must.
    Last edited by JusticeM4; 06-03-14 at 04:38.

  3. #73
    Join Date
    Jan 2008
    Location
    AZ-Waging jihad against crappy AR's.
    Posts
    24,902
    Feedback Score
    104 (100%)
    Bullshit. You say budget is an issue. Right now Colt carbines can be had for less than 900.00. Even when that wasn't the case, please explain to me in a rationale manner why someone has to have it right this second. Why can't they wait for a couple of months? Why couldn't they buy a completed lower and then an upper a few months later?

    If they can't save the money then they don't need an AR. AR's aren't going to feed themselves, they need mags and ammo. So that means they won't be able to afford that and they won't shoot it.

    Quote Originally Posted by JusticeM4 View Post
    While I undestand and agree to most of your points, what I'm saying is that a mid-tier company making AR products can be sufficient for the casual shooter. Smith and Wesson for example. While not top of the line like BCM, DD, or Colt, a S&W rifle will probably work just fine for the new shooter who shoots less than 100rds a month.

    Budget constraints is a real issue also for some. If you feel that everyone should buy a $1k + rifle, I don't disagree with you. But it is a fact that not everyone who wants a brand name rifle can afford one. People have bills to pay, kids to feed, etc. But I digress...

    I point everyone that asks me what AR to buy a Colt6920 at minimum. But I cannot dictate what their budget will allow them to buy. If all they can afford is a S&W, I won't look down on them for that.

    Feel free if you must.



    Owner/Instructor at Semper Paratus Arms

    Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/SemperParatusArms/

    Semper Paratus Arms AR15 Armorer Course http://www.semperparatusarms.com/cou...-registration/

    M4C Misc. Training and Course Announcements- http://www.m4carbine.net/forumdisplay.php?f=141

    Master Armorer/R&D at SIONICS Weapon Systems- http://sionicsweaponsystems.com

  4. #74
    Join Date
    Jan 2012
    Location
    Orange County
    Posts
    1,070
    Feedback Score
    1 (100%)
    Quote Originally Posted by Iraqgunz View Post
    Bullshit. You say budget is an issue. Right now Colt carbines can be had for less than 900.00. Even when that wasn't the case, please explain to me in a rationale manner why someone has to have it right this second. Why can't they wait for a couple of months? Why couldn't they buy a completed lower and then an upper a few months later?

    If they can't save the money then they don't need an AR. AR's aren't going to feed themselves, they need mags and ammo. So that means they won't be able to afford that and they won't shoot it.
    Call BS if you want.

    I'm not arguing with you here, just stating an opinion. I know people who can barely afford a quality pistol under $500; i'm not sure if those same people can afford a $900+ rifle. A $550 M&P Sport might work just fine for them.

    Again, if someone can wait and save up for a Colt/BCM etc, I'm all for that. I get your point. It just seems that you miss mine. I know 2 good friends who want to buy their first AR15 and don't even have $600 to buy one even if they saved up for a few months. I'd give them the extra money/ammo/mags if I could, but I simply don't have that disposable income to spare. Not that these guys can't save, there are simply limits to their budget and what they can afford. (One of them just had a newborn baby and his wife does not work)
    But this is somewhat on a tangent.


    Back on topic...
    Last edited by JusticeM4; 06-03-14 at 05:26.

  5. #75
    Join Date
    May 2006
    Location
    VA/OH
    Posts
    29,630
    Feedback Score
    33 (100%)
    Quote Originally Posted by JusticeM4 View Post
    While I undestand and agree to most of your points, what I'm saying is that a mid-tier company making AR products can be sufficient for the casual shooter. Smith and Wesson for example. While not top of the line like BCM, DD, or Colt, a S&W rifle will probably work just fine for the new shooter who shoots less than 100rds a month.
    First let me say that I honestly don't care what people do with their money. If you love S&W products, buy their AR. Second, all that I am interested in is if people get some quality training with said gun.

    So is "good enough" actually good enough? It all depends on the person and what they value.

    Budget constraints is a real issue also for some. If you feel that everyone should buy a $1k + rifle, I don't disagree with you. But it is a fact that not everyone who wants a brand name rifle can afford one. People have bills to pay, kids to feed, etc. But I digress...
    So let's talk about budgets. The Core-15 M4 has no rear sight and is listed at $899 on their website. A Colt LE6920 (with a rear sight) can be had in the low $900 range.

    When the "Mid Tier" (to use your terms) AR's are that close to the "Top Tier" AR, why bother??

    I point everyone that asks me what AR to buy a Colt6920 at minimum. But I cannot dictate what their budget will allow them to buy. If all they can afford is a S&W, I won't look down on them for that.

    Feel free if you must.

    The S&W line of AR's is excellent. They do a lot of things well and IMHO, the SPORT is the BEST valued AR on the planet. So anyone that is on a REAL budget (not just a cheap bastard) should really only look at this gun.


    C4

  6. #76
    Join Date
    Jul 2009
    Posts
    2,177
    Feedback Score
    13 (100%)
    Quote Originally Posted by JusticeM4 View Post
    Call BS if you want.

    I'm not arguing with you here, just stating an opinion. I know people who can barely afford a quality pistol under $500; i'm not sure if those same people can afford a $900+ rifle. A $550 M&P Sport might work just fine for them.
    The M&P Sport is a great rifle. I don't know anybody on this board who has dissed it. Heck, S&W builds a good gun and receives recommendations from various folks on this site, especially in the past. S&W has come a long ways from when they first started building ARs.

    That being said, Colts are dirt cheap right now. I seriously doubt you can find a S&W rifle, other than the Sport, for much cheaper than you can find a Colt 6720/6920 online.

    Also, if somebody can't afford a good AR, why must they have an AR? If they can't feed the beast, there is no point in having one. I suggest that such folks invest in a Savage bolt action rifle and a Bushnell scope... sure, it might not look as cool at the range, but it would be seriously impressive for somebody to show up with a rifle, shoot a few dozen rounds with very tight groups at a few hundred yards (if the range is long enough) and then pack up and go on their way.

    Who is going to cause more damage in a "SHTF" situation? A few hundred amateurs with ARs who have shot a few hundred rounds out of their ARs because they couldn't afford the ammo, or a few hundred folks well versed in bolt action rifles shooting single, well-aimed shots at several hundred yards?

  7. #77
    Join Date
    Jun 2011
    Location
    texas
    Posts
    18
    Feedback Score
    0
    should of bought a colt le6920, take your core15 to a carbIne class.& see how It performs, I have 2 colt ar15's and couldnt be happIer.=Father of 3;1918307]Last week I picked up my first AR15. It is a CORE 15 M4 Piston model. I went in my LGS looking for a Colt and they suggested this as they did not have any Colts in stock. It was listed for $1120. I didn't know much about them but I couldn't pass up the deal and goodies the guy was offering to go with it. I ended up buying a weapon that I know nothing about the make, which is extremely rare. Can we say impulsive?

    I have since been doing some research since. What I have found about CORE 15 is that they are manufactured by a company that builds Airboats, Israel Anzaldua, formerly from Bushmaster, is their VP, and they are guns built by shooters. They are built to Mil Spec or tighter tolerances, 1/7 barrel chambered in 5.56x45mm, Lifetime transferrable warranty.

    Seems like a good deal and it is a gas piston system. The gas piston system is an Adams Arms system and they have a proprietary bolt that is suppose to alleviate some of the issues that can be associated (bolt tilt I think) with piston systems.

    What do you guys think? Good deal for a piston rifle? Sell it and buy a Colt 9620?

    Here's What I Have:

    http://core15rifles.com/core15-m4-pi...le-100279.html[/QUOTE]

  8. #78
    Join Date
    Aug 2006
    Location
    MD
    Posts
    1,350
    Feedback Score
    0
    This thread needs to get nuked...

  9. #79
    Join Date
    Jul 2012
    Posts
    1,395
    Feedback Score
    114 (100%)
    Quote Originally Posted by graffex View Post
    This thread needs to get nuked...
    Sounds about right to me.

  10. #80
    Join Date
    Jan 2012
    Location
    Orange County
    Posts
    1,070
    Feedback Score
    1 (100%)
    Quote Originally Posted by justin_247 View Post
    The M&P Sport is a great rifle. I don't know anybody on this board who has dissed it. Heck, S&W builds a good gun and receives recommendations from various folks on this site, especially in the past. S&W has come a long ways from when they first started building ARs.

    That being said, Colts are dirt cheap right now. I seriously doubt you can find a S&W rifle, other than the Sport, for much cheaper than you can find a Colt 6720/6920 online.

    Also, if somebody can't afford a good AR, why must they have an AR? If they can't feed the beast, there is no point in having one. I suggest that such folks invest in a Savage bolt action rifle and a Bushnell scope... sure, it might not look as cool at the range, but it would be seriously impressive for somebody to show up with a rifle, shoot a few dozen rounds with very tight groups at a few hundred yards (if the range is long enough) and then pack up and go on their way.

    Who is going to cause more damage in a "SHTF" situation? A few hundred amateurs with ARs who have shot a few hundred rounds out of their ARs because they couldn't afford the ammo, or a few hundred folks well versed in bolt action rifles shooting single, well-aimed shots at several hundred yards?
    The reason for wanting/needing and buying an AR is not for us to decide. We can only point them in the right direction; lead the horse to water but cannot force them to drink.

    Most civilian shooters here probably get more practice than ur average LEO. Some Cops don't even have rifles unless they are issued one. In a shtf event, it would benefit everyone to have one over a pistol or shotgun only.

    I encourage everyone that wants a long gun to get an AR, preferably the 6920. But if they can't afford it, a Sport would still be a decent alternative.

    Parting question: why aren't all soldiers issued bolt action rifles instead of M4/ M16's????

Page 8 of 9 FirstFirst ... 6789 LastLast

Bookmarks

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •