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Thread: Argument against key mod?

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    Quote Originally Posted by graffex View Post
    I'd say completely off base. It doesn't get any warmer than regular quad rails. If your not doing full auto mag dumps it's not gonna be a problem.
    I don't think that's true at all. My NSR gets much hotter and much faster than my DD Lite ever did, and it doesn't take mag dumps to do it. A typical 3 or 4 mag evolution at a carbine course will do it. With rail covers and gloves, it's a manageable issue. Otherwise, I agree that the advantages of a light tubular rail outweigh that disadvantage.
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    For those concerned with heat.

    MI rail panels. Get them.

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    None of the OP's concerns are an issue in my experience. We shot some cans very hot Saturday with our KMRs. You can feel warmth from the barrel, but there was no point where I felt the need for a glove or anything.

    Complexity of attachment? Depends on the accessory. The QD mount stumped me for a few seconds but you can always fall back on the instructions. I'm more hands on, and don't get a lot out of reading about how something works.

    As far as wide spread acceptance or standardization... It has zero impact on my gun's set up. The more options the better I suppose, but if there were never another keymod mount or accessory made, I'd still have a solid setup that would be functional for years. There's not a significant downside risk to getting a keymod rail.
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    Heat has not been an issue for me so far, and I was out with mine in 100* weather last week; and even when not in active use it was on the tailgate of my truck with no shade.

    I can't speak to the durability of the system, as I don't typically do any type of torture testing; the paint on the KMR has been covered before, but that is a non-issue for me.

    As for attachments, I hope we see more direct attach options; but even if not I do favor the feel of a slick rail, they are much more comfortable to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by themighty9mm View Post
    I can see that. But I disagree (subject to change). My thinking being, if one does not normally bring/wear gloves on the range. It wont be a normal thing, or a consistent thing. In turn, it most likely wont happen. I am basing this on my own experience. Now it wouldn't be a hard thing to do, but I feel people tend to get into habits, good or bad. And if one is not in the habit of wearing gloves, it makes the thinking valid IMO.

    This of course is if key mods to heat up more/faster than a standard quad rail. So far, for me with the RIS 2 rails it has not been a issue. With relatively fast round counts ranging from about 2 rounds up to about 120, before a decent cool down time. Decent cool down time being something around 30 min. Now im not sitting there bump firing but relatively fast firing meaning simple drills done several times in a row or even plinking at the range

    The point I'm trying to make is that if you are either going to be in class or combat and shooting enough to where heat becomes an issue wearing gloves should be a priority. It is unrealistic to think in an HD or similar type of defensive situation even for an LEO on duty, that one would need to fire enough round where heat would become an issue. Wearing gloves to train does not effect the way you operate the weapon without gloves. There are no negative aspects to wearing gloves. I think you are trying to compare wearing gloves in training to the same bad habits developed when competition shooters immediately unload their weapons after engaging targets. Practices like that can transfer into real world situations and can be harmful, not wearing gloves can not be compared to that. If you like key-mod and feel heat is an issue just wear gloves at the range, simple as that!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by themighty9mm View Post
    Decent cool down time being something around 30 min.
    Cool down with the KMR ELW is freakishly quick. The ventilation of the hand guard and the profile of the barrel allow it to shed heat ridiculously fast. I didn't time it or anything, but I did notice that when I let the rifle lay on my tailgate to cool a bit, I was shocked when I checked on it. It was completely cooled off in half the time I'd have expected with a Gov profile and standard handguard.
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    I find that wearing or not wearing gloves shooting a rifle makes zero difference as far as feel or my capability. Pistol wise I think it does, and needs to be practiced with gloves ymmv.

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    Quote Originally Posted by graffex View Post
    I find that wearing or not wearing gloves shooting a rifle makes zero difference as far as feel or my capability. Pistol wise I think it does, and needs to be practiced with gloves ymmv.
    I'd agree with that. We shoot a LOT of rifle and only reach for a glove if we have to handle a suppressor.
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    Quote Originally Posted by graffex View Post
    I find that wearing or not wearing gloves shooting a rifle makes zero difference as far as feel or my capability. Pistol wise I think it does, and needs to be practiced with gloves ymmv.

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    Types of gloves worn makes a huge difference when manipulating pouches/retrieving mags. I will always wear gloves after seeing what grabbing a hot barrel or suppressor accidentally will do as well as if I were to have a KB. It's the same reason I always wear ballistic eye pro.

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    IMO the heat issue between KMR and Quad rails is not a material issue but a shape one. Quad raid are thicker and position your hand further away for the bore center line. As such it takes more time for the heat build up to reach your hand. Also there is more metal to heat up. Physically KMR, MLOK tube are not ever going to be as strong as quad, unless they have a significant materials upgrade. The physics of the matter is that the shape of the quad rail is more rigid in all directions than a tube with top rail.

    Not sure why we keep fixating on the topic of Keymod vs. MLOK or any other design. Buy the one you like and the one that works for your needs and move on.

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