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    Quote Originally Posted by Col_Crocs View Post
    My post wasn't directed at ASA directly but differences in brands and why folks here recommend some over others.
    With regards to ASA, I've never had one but it doesn't take longer than 5 sec on their site for me to pass. Looking at barrel specs specifically, 1/9 chromemoly (1/7 chromelined 11595E only being an option as opposed to the standard), no mention of whether or not barrels are HPT and MPI either. [...] Will it go bang? Sure. Does it compare to known quality barrels? No.
    Just for clarification, I just received an email back from Chris (Director of Manufacturing and Retail) saying that all barrels receive a HPT, MPI and accuracy test.

    I mean, at the end they do come with a guaranteed accuracy of 1MOA and a lifetime warranty.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JJEH View Post
    Just for clarification, I just received an email back from Chris (Director of Manufacturing and Retail) saying that all barrels receive a HPT, MPI and accuracy test.

    I mean, at the end they do come with a guaranteed accuracy of 1MOA and a lifetime warranty.
    1 moa? Really? With what ammo and at what range? You said this was a chrome lined barrel right?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Koshinn View Post
    1 moa? Really? With what ammo and at what range?
    This I don't know. You might want to ask ASA.

    http://www.americanspiritarms.com/contact_us

    Quote Originally Posted by Koshinn View Post
    You said this was a chrome lined barrel right?
    No, I didn't say anything about it. Our barrel is nitrided, 16", 1:7 twist, 4150 chrome moly.
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    I think we all know that the 1 MOA guaranteed accuracy is complete BS. You see a lot of companies guaranteeing 1MOA accuracy because they know 99% of the people buying it will never prove that it's not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Obscenejesster View Post
    I think we all know that the 1 MOA guaranteed accuracy is complete BS. You see a lot of companies guaranteeing 1MOA accuracy because they know 99% of the people buying it will never prove that it's not.
    I don't think that - under ideal conditions - a 1" group at 100yds is BS.

    My wife zeros her issued M4 at 300 meters with 14.5" barrel and iron sights...
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    In reference to the personal opinions expressed here regarding "brands" and not wanting to start another asinine "mines better than yours thread" (big waste of time) and after having done exhaustive research I have owned an ASA rifle for years. I have been through several high round count schools as well as instructing at my departments patrol rifle operator courses and have never had a problem with my rifle - no stoppages, not one in 5 years and the rifle is very accurate. I'm putting this out here because I strongly believe that this company offers a quality product that compare very favorably with other similarly priced brands such as S&W, Bushmaster, DPMS, Olympic, Stagg and Rock River. The website does not show the extent of the products available and if you want something special they can do it. I recently had my 16" Chromalloy 1.8 barrel cut down to 10.5 and the owner of the company did the job himself and they made all the necessary adjustments to ensure reliability and functionality (which they achieved based on recent trips to the range). This company is also more of a true manufacturer than many brands actually building the majority of their parts in house which they will demonstrate by giving you an tour of the factory where you can see the parts being machined on the spot. As far as quality control goes the company also manufactures aircraft and medical parts and the gun parts go through the same quality control process which they will also show you. Am I saying they’re perfect? No of course not but then neither is any other brand and I have observed first hand "top tier" brands fail during classes I've attended. I guess my point is after doing a good deal of research and really looking into the issue without being swayed by internet BS, which should be considered as being in the same league as an ex-wife's recollection of your sex life, I decided that they were worth a look. Their prices are reasonable; they manufacture most of their own parts and come with a life-time warranty. This was not my first rifle (that was a Colt many years ago) and my findings have been that the ASA is as good if not better than many of the other similarly prices rifles out there. Oh and buy the way I don’t hate your DD, KAC, LMT, Colt or Bravo gun just because it’s not the one I bought. Now my fingers hurt so I'm going back on patrol.
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    I think everyone is in agreement that they are equivalent to olympic, dpms, rock river, etc.

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    The particular brands you compare them too fit right into the same category of mediocre AR's. I did actually do a factory tour which is why I made the comment I did. All one has to do is look at their specs. They speak for themselves.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hazzmatt View Post
    In reference to the personal opinions expressed here regarding "brands" and not wanting to start another asinine "mines better than yours thread" (big waste of time) and after having done exhaustive research I have owned an ASA rifle for years. I have been through several high round count schools as well as instructing at my departments patrol rifle operator courses and have never had a problem with my rifle - no stoppages, not one in 5 years and the rifle is very accurate. I'm putting this out here because I strongly believe that this company offers a quality product that compare very favorably with other similarly priced brands such as S&W, Bushmaster, DPMS, Olympic, Stagg and Rock River. The website does not show the extent of the products available and if you want something special they can do it. I recently had my 16" Chromalloy 1.8 barrel cut down to 10.5 and the owner of the company did the job himself and they made all the necessary adjustments to ensure reliability and functionality (which they achieved based on recent trips to the range). This company is also more of a true manufacturer than many brands actually building the majority of their parts in house which they will demonstrate by giving you an tour of the factory where you can see the parts being machined on the spot. As far as quality control goes the company also manufactures aircraft and medical parts and the gun parts go through the same quality control process which they will also show you. Am I saying they’re perfect? No of course not but then neither is any other brand and I have observed first hand "top tier" brands fail during classes I've attended. I guess my point is after doing a good deal of research and really looking into the issue without being swayed by internet BS, which should be considered as being in the same league as an ex-wife's recollection of your sex life, I decided that they were worth a look. Their prices are reasonable; they manufacture most of their own parts and come with a life-time warranty. This was not my first rifle (that was a Colt many years ago) and my findings have been that the ASA is as good if not better than many of the other similarly prices rifles out there. Oh and buy the way I don’t hate your DD, KAC, LMT, Colt or Bravo gun just because it’s not the one I bought. Now my fingers hurt so I'm going back on patrol.



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    Quote Originally Posted by JJEH View Post
    I don't think that - under ideal conditions - a 1" group at 100yds is BS.

    My wife zeros her issued M4 at 300 meters with 14.5" barrel and iron sights...
    1 MOA at 300m is 3.4". I guarantee you she's not shooting 1 MOA at 300m. Her target at 300m is something like 4-5 MOA across and 8-10 MOA tall.

    Very very few people can shoot 1 MOA with a match grade barrel, match grade ammo, iron sights, and no support at 300m. Shooting 1 MOA with a M4 that's had god-knows how many rounds through it and using ammo that is only guaranteed to be 3 MOA out of a match barrel (which, again, she isn't using) pretty much makes it impossible besides the stars aligning and you randomly getting a good group every so often.


    There's a range just to the west of Ft. Sill at Badlands Tactical in which you can test the 1 MOA accuracy claim. Bring handloads, Black Hills 77gr, or Federal Gold Medal Match.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Koshinn View Post
    1 MOA at 300m is 3.4". I guarantee you she's not shooting 1 MOA at 300m. Her target at 300m is something like 4-5 MOA across and 8-10 MOA tall.

    Very very few people can shoot 1 MOA with a match grade barrel, match grade ammo, iron sights, and no support at 300m. Shooting 1 MOA with a M4 that's had god-knows how many rounds through it and using ammo that is only guaranteed to be 3 MOA out of a match barrel (which, again, she isn't using) pretty much makes it impossible besides the stars aligning and you randomly getting a good group every so often.
    Gentlemen, please don't twist my words around. I said she's zeroing her issued rifle at (simulated) 300m with shorter barrel and iron sights. I did not say she's shooting 1MOA at that range!

    Further I said that a 1" group at 100yds - under ideal conditions - is no BS!

    Thank you.
    Last edited by JJEH; 05-26-14 at 10:20.
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