Gun Safety: Does It Start In The Home Or The Gun Shop...?

[tb-av]

I agree with you about the "rules for other people" deal... but in that picture I think both are pointed out... not at each other. I can see the hole in the muzzle of one and the other looks to be aiming across as well. ... and isn't the bolt open?

But anyway, yeah, the only way to change things is to constantly bring it to people's attention until it becomes common place.

This is something NRA or most anyone could get started via YouTube. A positive public service explaining how to always be mindful of the 4 rules and it would serve to bring firearms into the everyday life of people in a manner that's a true public safety message and not a pro/anti deal or hunting/tactical.

It should be similar to a buckle your seat belt deal or a healthy eating message, no smoking or whatever.... It should be a normal thing that you hear or see everyday as a natural part of living in America.

[SteyrAUG]

I agree with you about the "rules for other people" deal... but in that picture I think both are pointed out... not at each other. I can see the hole in the muzzle of one and the other looks to be aiming across as well. ... and isn't the bolt open?

But anyway, yeah, the only way to change things is to constantly bring it to people's attention until it becomes common place.

This is something NRA or most anyone could get started via YouTube. A positive public service explaining how to always be mindful of the 4 rules and it would serve to bring firearms into the everyday life of people in a manner that's a true public safety message and not a pro/anti deal or hunting/tactical.

It should be similar to a buckle your seat belt deal or a healthy eating message, no smoking or whatever.... It should be a normal thing that you hear or see everyday as a natural part of living in America.

Guy on the left who isn't quite flagging guy on right has bolt open, no magazine and finger off the trigger and it looks like the selector is on safe. I still would have yelled "Woah" long before he swung it that close to my head but he isn't flagging yet.

HOWEVER, guy on right is or is damn near flagging, bolt is closed with a magazine inserted and I believe the selector set to semi auto. I've seen people get ejected from the range for this sort of thing and I've seen people want to start fights over it. Careless, preventable and should never be accepted.

And I'm doing my best to put the word out. I created a FB page just for people who don't know better or never were taught correctly. Please feel free to send it to anyone you think may benefit.

https://www.facebook.com/pages/Four-...37267769814095

And bad as I think the above example is, it's no where near as "HOLY CRAP SCARY" as this one.



Everybody but the person who looks like the responsible party has a gun pointed at them and plenty of ammo for everyone.

[markm]

The ding dong on the right, looking to shoot here support hand is the only one I'm seeing.

There are two other guns with the cylinders open. I prefer not to point a revolver even with the cylinder open, but like a pistol with the slide locked back, or securely holstered, I don't as assed up as if it were held in the firing hand.

[tb-av]

Yep, all I see is the lady ready to shoot her finger off. Although Rosam Barr(ell) looks like she's loading up for a gut shot so she probably won't miss the finger.

SA, I can see the hole in the muzzle for guy on right, but I didn't realize that was a mag..... !!! I would be heading for the door. Showing off a loaded gun in a gun shop is just asking for trouble, I don't care where it's pointed.

[C4IGrant]

Jesus, you'd think if ANYONE would know not to point a gun at another person it should be the guy behind the counter with over 20 years experience.

Most gun dealers have horrible muzzle discipline, shooting ability, firearms knowledge and tend to be a bit on the crazy side.




C4

[Safetyhit]

Most gun dealers have horrible muzzle discipline, shooting ability, firearms knowledge and tend to be a bit on the crazy side.

Gun dealers aren't always my favorite crowd either, but again taking this image of two men with what appears to be a rather impressive inventory and essentially shaming them based upon speculation in a well known national forum reeks of counter-productivity from my vantage point.

Kind of like someone taking a single minor incident at a shoot house that was recorded and using it to publicly and needlessly slander those involved. Yes, I mean that time.

[SteyrAUG]

Gun dealers aren't always my favorite crowd either, but again taking this image of two men with what appears to be a rather impressive inventory and essentially shaming them based upon speculation in a well known national forum reeks of counter-productivity from my vantage point.

Kind of like someone taking a single minor incident at a shoot house that was recorded and using it to publicly and needlessly slander those involved. Yes, I mean that time.

If I can shame them into being safer with firearms that is productive. If I can use their image to get other people to understand what is wrong with what they are doing that is productive.

It also isn't speculation, both men do NOT have their muzzle pointed in a safe direction, one is just a lot more not safe than the other. Again, how close do you allow people to muzzle sweep you before you stop them? I typically don't wait until I see rifling.

I use their example because just like "law enforcement and military" there are some people, like gun dealers, who you would expect would follow all the rules of gun safety. Again if anyone should know better, it should be them.

[SteyrAUG]

The ding dong on the right, looking to shoot here support hand is the only one I'm seeing.

There are two other guns with the cylinders open. I prefer not to point a revolver even with the cylinder open, but like a pistol with the slide locked back, or securely holstered, I don't as assed up as if it were held in the firing hand.

You have more faith in the ladies than I.

I am not going to assume that the two on the table aren't loaded. I'm not going to assume that once loaded, the lady in question will begin to observe strict muzzle discipline.

[markm]

You have more faith in the ladies than I

Don't jump the gun. No one has less faith in dizzy women than I.

[Bulletdog]

I could not disagree more. With the exception of the rare mechanical failure, all unintended shootings are the result of a violation of one of four basic rules of gun safety. These are all preventable and nobody is exempt.

If you can't follow those four simple rules, you shouldn't own a gun. Jackasses who think they are "safe enough" are the ones end up unintentionally shooting people. And if people in a gun shop can't observe the basic rules of gun safety, why should anyone else think they should be required to?

The "rules are for other people" who don't have my experience mindset is exactly the problem. How many reports have we seen of dipshits shooting somebody with a gun because "it wasn't loaded?" Why should we assume these guys are any different?

This isn't "nit picking" this is me being completely fed up. We criticize those who "open carry" in a provocative way because it hurts us. Well how about people who can't follow four simple rules and contribute to everything required for a "negligent discharge"? Which one hurts us more?

SteyrAUG, I cannot agree more with your disagreement. I'm inspired by your goal and I will make it a point to call attention to these errors when I see them.


Safetyhit, If ever you catch me or see a photo of me engaging in fundamentally unsafe behavior with a firearm, this is your public invitation to point it out, shame me, make an example of me, and do your best to make sure no one else repeats my idiotic mistake. I don't care if its in a shoot house or behind the counter of a gun shop.

...and its not slander if it actually happened and you are looking at photographic evidence of it.