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Thread: If you were a WWII soldier, what would be the coolest aspect of the modern AR?

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    If you were a WWII soldier, what would be the coolest aspect of the modern AR?

    I was just thinking hypothetically about how if you came from such a different time period and suddenly saw all the modern-day weapons that today has to offer, which aspect of modern weapons would you favor most? I guess we have to focus on the AR, but do you think that would really be their first pick if they suddenly time-traveled forward? Would a different platform altogether be favored?

    I think for me the coolest part of the AR would would be the ergonomics and reload speed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tacti-square View Post
    I think for me the coolest part of the AR would would be the ergonomics and reload speed.
    This may not be the best choice of words for genuinely practical reasons. Also it's fine to ask questions but if you think about it aren't the answers apparent? Are the benefits of a lighter, easier to handle M4 with 30 rounds in a detachable magazine compared to those of an M1 Garand or a even a BAR not easy to discern?

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    I think the AR would be the last pick. Think about it. An M1 Grand with a Bayonet and a wooden stock is still a formidable weapon in hand to hand close in fighting with or with-out ammo. Also wasn't as finicky about ammo,weather and being dirty. You shooting something with a 30 cal. is a lot different than a zippy 22 cal. I don't think they'd like the lighter bullets either. Ever been in hand to hand combat ? Break the buffer tube on an AR and all you have is a short stick with a short frog stabber on the end.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Maddmax View Post
    I think the AR would be the last pick. Think about it. An M1 Grand with a Bayonet and a wooden stock is still a formidable weapon in hand to hand close in fighting with or with-out ammo. Also wasn't as finicky about ammo,weather and being dirty. You shooting something with a 30 cal. is a lot different than a zippy 22 cal. I don't think they'd like the lighter bullets either. Ever been in hand to hand combat ? Break the buffer tube on an AR and all you have is a short stick with a short frog stabber on the end.

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    Dont worry about it. Your question has been on my mind once in a while.

    I think the weight and magazine fed would be what charms them. I had two uncles who loved their garands but were sold on the M-1 Carbine once they got their mitts on them.

    All they could talk sbout was the weight and handiness of the little M-1

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    Buffer tube is not likely to break if you are doing a butt-stroke properly (hand on the stock). I never saw any bent tubes or broken stocks on the numerous bayonet assault courses I've run and those targets are less forgiving than a human since they don't move or fall over (the tire portion that is the "head"). It's a sample size of 1, but my former 1SG butt-stroked a dude in Iraq and didn't hurt his M4.

    The best modern carbine for hand to hand IMHO is the AK47/74. Stock unlikely to break and it wouldn't stop functioning. Large curved steel magazine locked in 2 places that can be used for striking and trapping. Near 90 deg angle front sight, good for striking and tearing. Slant muzzle for muzzle punches. Oh, and still has a bayonet.

    30 low-recoiling rounds in a lighter weapon with an IR laser working in conjunction with night vision would have been a great benefit when jumping into Narmandy.
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    Many vets of WWII and Korea preferred the M1 carbine over the Garand.

    Considering the advantages the M16 & M4 have over the Garand, it would have been popular choice among the troops. However, they would have had to learn new tactics. GIs loved the ability of the 30-06 to shoot through stuff. I don't know how often GIs went out & buttstroked their enemies and the bayonet charge was all but extinct with the end of the Great War. Most vets I knew preferred to shoot their foes. The AR may not be a good weapon for buttstroking but that doesn't mean you can't poke'm good and hard with the barrel end when needed.

    All in all, I think the AR FOW would have given our GIs a much appreciated boost in firepower by replacing the Thompson sub-machine gun, the carbine and possibly the BAR but it would not have completely supplanted the Garand until new tactics were learned and adopted

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    30 low-recoiling rounds in a lighter weapon with an IR laser working in conjunction with night vision would have been a great benefit when jumping into Narmandy.
    Modern NODs alone would have allowed our Paratroopers to dominate the battlefield
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