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Thread: If you were a WWII soldier, what would be the coolest aspect of the modern AR?

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    I disagree and there are some historians who have said that the Germans use of the MKb42(H) as having an impact on allowing German troops to escape the encirclement at Kholm. At the end of the day all wars are won by the infantry clearing out the enemy. I'm not saying that the use of certain weapons would have changed the war (especially with a nutbag at the helm) but the use of certain weapons in combat has made an impact.

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    The Army would probably find a reason not to adopt it. Too many rounds, bullets too small, etc.

    I don't really think infantry weapons would have made that big of a game changer. Maybe in the East, but the Soviets would have just thrown more dudes at the Germans.

    Now modern tanks and UAVs?



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    Quote Originally Posted by crusader377 View Post
    IMO, the Germans and the USMC were the two organizations in WWII that really did a good job of organizing their infantry to excel at the missions they were given.
    Interesting that Marines loaded for amphibious assault had one of the heaviest, if not the heaviest loads of the any infantry of the war, while the Germans had one of the lightest.
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    all good points above...
    however I know 2 WW2 vets, and they love the .30-60 round and mock my AR-15 every chance they get. I honestly think the M16 in that generation would have been looked down upon due to the round it fires. I think they would have enjoyed the M14 much more.

    But thats just my experience, my sisters husband USMC, his dad is also a Marine, served in WW2 and he does not shoot or even consider the AR a worthy rifle of himself. He will shoot his M1 and M1A but not ARs.

    The second vet I know is my wifes dads friend I enjoy shooting with this old guy, but hes another die hard M1 guy who always mocks the AR.

    So I would say that if WW2 vets fast forwarded to now, based upon my experience with them they would choose the M14, .45 caliber HK UMP, or possibly an AR-10. I dont think many due to the time would appreciate the 5.56 and 9mm calibers.

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    Once they started dropping bad dudes, I'm sure their opinion would change. I didn't think much of the M16/5.56 when I joined, but it didn't take long in actual combat to discover that if you put the bullets where they belong the bad guys would fall down and stay down pretty consistently.

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    Pretty much.

    Quote Originally Posted by Failure2Stop View Post
    Once they started dropping bad dudes, I'm sure their opinion would change. I didn't think much of the M16/5.56 when I joined, but it didn't take long in actual combat to discover that if you put the bullets where they belong the bad guys would fall down and stay down pretty consistently.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Failure2Stop View Post
    Once they started dropping bad dudes, I'm sure their opinion would change. I didn't think much of the M16/5.56 when I joined, but it didn't take long in actual combat to discover that if you put the bullets where they belong the bad guys would fall down and stay down pretty consistently.

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    Oh yea, I agree with ya. Just my experience with these vets is that you would have to show them first hand, you know how they can be. Love the wood and steel.

    But im also with ya, when I joined I didnt think much of the 5.56 cause all i knew was hunting rounds 7mm and 308s. But I quickly learned that the 5.56 could do some damage. I like the 5.56 for what it is, but will always love the 30 cal bullets for what they are.

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    Thanks, guys. This thread started off pretty frivolously, but it's turned all educational on me. I appreciate it.

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