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Thread: If you were a WWII soldier, what would be the coolest aspect of the modern AR?

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    Saving Private Ryan in the bell tower with an M16A4+ ACOG. Would love to see that scene recreated.

    Quote Originally Posted by TehLlama View Post
    An M16A4 w/ optic would be a state of the art sniper weapon, at the weight of a personal defense carbine, with the capacity of a machine gun if loaded with a Surefire magazine.

    Crap... Fjall beat me to it.



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    I think that most of those of the "Greatest Generation Ever" would not have thought very highly of the AR platform at that time in history. Heavy was considered better. As much as I like the AR platform, I think that while storming the beaches during the D Day invasions you would have been better served with the shoulder weapons of that era.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Maddmax View Post
    I think the AR would be the last pick. Think about it. An M1 Grand with a Bayonet and a wooden stock is still a formidable weapon in hand to hand close in fighting with or with-out ammo. Also wasn't as finicky about ammo,weather and being dirty. You shooting something with a 30 cal. is a lot different than a zippy 22 cal. I don't think they'd like the lighter bullets either. Ever been in hand to hand combat ? Break the buffer tube on an AR and all you have is a short stick with a short frog stabber on the end.
    Modern technology. Ever heard of Brown Tip? You have a 600yd gun that weighs 7lbs.

    I wonder how much "hand to hand" there would be with reliable 60rd mags and the ability to transition to a secondary weapon (like a Glock with 20+ rounds in it)? Probably not a lot.



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    The Army would probably find a reason not to adopt it. Too many rounds, bullets too small, etc.

    I don't really think infantry weapons would have made that big of a game changer. Maybe in the East, but the Soviets would have just thrown more dudes at the Germans.

    Now modern tanks and UAVs?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Maddmax View Post
    I think the AR would be the last pick. Think about it. An M1 Grand with a Bayonet and a wooden stock is still a formidable weapon in hand to hand close in fighting with or with-out ammo. Also wasn't as finicky about ammo,weather and being dirty. You shooting something with a 30 cal. is a lot different than a zippy 22 cal. I don't think they'd like the lighter bullets either. Ever been in hand to hand combat ? Break the buffer tube on an AR and all you have is a short stick with a short frog stabber on the end.

    I disagree, I think most GI would have loved the capabilities and firepower that even a M16A1 or A2 would have offered and that they would be completely blown away by a current M4 with modern optics.

    Despite what many think, hand to hand fighting was very rare in the European theater in WWII and I think most soldiers would prefer the high magazine capacity and select fire capability of the M16 over any advantage that the M1 had in a bayonet fight.

    Also a soldier with a M16/M4 could easily carry 300-400 rds of ammunition whereas the combat load of a M1 is around 100 rds.

    The M1 was a great rifle when it was developed but was already old technology by 1944/45 and we are very lucky that Hitler delayed and overall fumbled the production of the STG44.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Iraqgunz View Post
    Saving Private Ryan in the bell tower with an M16A4+ ACOG. Would love to see that scene recreated.
    I wonder what would happen if you shot a rifle bullet down the barrel of a tank with a chambered round?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Koshinn View Post
    I wonder what would happen if you shot a rifle bullet down the barrel of a tank with a chambered round?
    Try it and report back.

    I'm thinking nothing, though. Possibly depends on what type of round is loaded in the main gun.

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    Err...is it too late to suggest that the MG-42 may actually still be superior to most modern designs? Hope not because I really like that one I do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Maddmax View Post
    I think the AR would be the last pick. Think about it. An M1 Grand with a Bayonet and a wooden stock is still a formidable weapon in hand to hand close in fighting with or with-out ammo. Also wasn't as finicky about ammo,weather and being dirty. You shooting something with a 30 cal. is a lot different than a zippy 22 cal. I don't think they'd like the lighter bullets either. Ever been in hand to hand combat ? Break the buffer tube on an AR and all you have is a short stick with a short frog stabber on the end.
    My neighbors father who fought through the Pacific campaigns said the reliability of the Garand has been overstated and that on Iwo many were discarded after stoppages too time consuming to clear. They grabbed the ones from the wounded during a fight.

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    I would have said, (in a James Cagney voice) "Look Mac! This thing is a poodle shooter, see? It won't even penetrate my winter coat, and is made of plastic! What kind of Buck Rogers crap is the red dot?" And then he would have thrown it into the effing weeds!

    (Sorry, had to pay homage to some of the old fat guys that try and teach me about the AR....because they obviously have been there and done that. )
    Last edited by Shiz; 06-06-14 at 16:35.

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