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    Quote Originally Posted by DWood View Post
    It doesn't use a roll pin or punch. The bolt catch retainer is threaded and requires an Allen wrench to install. Having just installed one today, I'm not sure how you could install it without the relieved cut.

    On the Lite lower, the cut is much less obvious.
    Making it capable of being installed from the right side would be ideal. If I remember correctly that's how the Seekins billet lower is set up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stickman View Post
    I think it is a good looking receiver set, and that people crying about price are missing the point that this isn't for them anyway.

    I have neither desire nor can afford a 911 Porsche, that doesn't mean I can't still appreciate it for what it is.
    Exactly this - this is far and away the least retarded weight saving receiver set I've encountered, but the cost is still going to restrict it a little too badly for a larger type of market - perhaps as complete rifles that can be defrayed a bit (sell them as complete setups with KMR Rails, smart barrel contours), and maybe add some cerakote options since this is going to be a narrower market, if it's already really unique looking, the color is comparably cheap anyway.

    At just 2oz per receiver the full set differential is the selling point, so the key is finding ways to make that weight savings seem more attractive, and the major difficulty is that very few folks are going to notice a difference measured in ounces so close to the center of mass for light carbines anyway, so that makes me thing well thought out complete builds might net better results (e.g. a super-light pistol lower setup with 1-pt Sling Mount, MOE Grip, and 11.5" LW CHF barrel and 9" KMR/NSR/Similar Keymod Handguard) as flagship models to demonstrate the net weight savings possible.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ScatmanCrothers View Post
    Making it capable of being installed from the right side would be ideal. If I remember correctly that's how the Seekins billet lower is set up.

    We had to go from the front with the drill and tap because the QD is in the way on the standard BALIOS. However I think we could get it from the other side on the lite.

    I will ask the guys, and see whats up with that.

    I have a running list of stuff to change, we will for sure weigh the options and see if a revision would be worthwhile down the road. I will pass the word on to the guys at the shop about the thread over here. We have enjoyed all the feedback so far. I too hope that the brand takes off, we are going to give it one hell of a shot, I can tell you that.

    Founder and co-owner/operator at 2A-Armament

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    Weight/ounce saving homos win against satan handers I see again....

    Enhanced controls trumps saving a few ounces in my book all day long. That's just my 2cents for future lower mfg'rs.

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    The "cut" doesn't bother me at all. If they were to change anything for a differnt look (because looks is all it would be about, not function), I think it would be easier/better to just remove the small raised rib on the upper that makes the cut look like a channel on the standard set. On the Lite set, the "cut" fits right in with the other milled areas.

    And about making it easier for Aunt Marge to install the bolt catch, changing the lower just for the look is like helping Aunt Marge coordinate her purse with her AR. Aunt Marge should choose another set if the Balios receiver set doesn't go with her outfit.

    But what do I know, I only ponied up the cash and bought a set of the Balios Lite.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dano5326 View Post
    What is the weight reduction, for a upper/lower set, over a standard set?

    And I would be more concerned with proper surface anodizing / coating, of any receivers, than the forged vs billet debate.
    BALIOS-lite stripped lower specs w/ integral trigger guard: 6.50 oz stripped

    Standard Noveske N4 lower: 8.85oz stripped
    MOE trigger guard assembly: .22oz
    together = 9.07oz

    Rainier Arms RM15 lower (w/ .05oz tension screw; made by MEGA): 8oz stripped (not sure why it is .85oz lighter than the Noveske?)

    Mag Tactical Systems magnesium lower w/ integral trigger guard: 5.875oz stripped

    Gen 2 Noveske stripped lower w/ integral trigger guard and flared mag well: 9.75oz stripped





    BALIOS-lite upper minus forward assist: 5.85 oz stripped

    standard mil-spec forged upper: 8.6oz with .7oz mil-spec port door assembly & .75oz forward assist assembly. 7.15oz stripped

    V7 Weapon Systems M4 forged upper: 6.9oz stripped

    Vltor MUR 1a (Noveske/old style): 9.6oz w/ mil-spec port door & f/a. 8.15oz stripped

    Rainier Arm's mil-spec profile, forged upper minus f/a: 7.3oz w/ mil-spec port door assembly. 6.6oz stripped
    https://www.rainierarms.com/?page=sh...roduct_id=2940

    Vltor MUR 1s w/o FA : 8.4oz w/ mil-spec port door assembly. 7.65oz stripped

    V7 Weapon Systems basic, mil-spec profile, forged upper minus f/a & minus port door mounts: 6.4oz
    (It is probably more like 6.3oz, they usually add a tenth to cover themselves. They also plan on making an additional cut on future uppers that might shave some more off).
    http://www.v7weaponsystems.com/colle...upper-receiver

    Mag Tactical Systems magnesium upper: 4.8oz stripped

    V7 has some more tricks up their sleeve with uppers I am eagerly awaiting.
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    One factor in the reduced mass at the receiver is it will make receiver-forward parts selection a bit more critical so you don't lose the snappy feel of a rifle that isn't nose-heavy. Anyone done a paper build to check out the total weight of a lightweight-oriented build using this receiver set?

    We live in a market with $450 barrels, and $2500+ turnkey AR rifles. The receiver will be with you for the life of the rifle while $300+ rails and top end optics packages come and go as the uswer tweaks and tries new things. If sales are lukewarm, pricing tweaks can always be done.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cesiumsponge View Post
    .........
    Anyone done a paper build to check out the total weight of a lightweight-oriented build using this receiver set?......
    My assembled lower weighs 1 lb. 11.6 oz. I loosely assembled my upper except the dust cover (.4 oz.) and the small bolts for the KMR -10 and it weighs 2 lb. 15 oz. That is with a DD 14.5" lightweight, mid - length .625 barrel, SLR .625 adjustable gas block, and BCM Mod 1 comp.
    Last edited by DWood; 06-10-14 at 12:22.
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    Yeah, this has me thinking if custom specced barrels (e.g. taking CHF FN blanks, turning them to mid-LW taper profiles and running custom undersized gas ports might be the rest of the answer), low mass reciprocating components (buy semiauto bolt carriers in the white and mill a bit more mass off, like the FA cuts; lightweight buffers) and really focusing on complete rifles might be the better answer so this quarter pound can be turned into a full pound of savings while benchmarking against a 6920 for performance/accuracy. Couple that with some cute weight savings options (Rosch SLM-1 Light/Front Sight, Aimpoint T-1 on DD Mount, Minimalist Stock) and maybe bundle that a bit as complete rifle kit offerings (at least as proof of concept setups) to show off what's really possible there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MistWolf View Post
    Paying extra for a billet receiver is bad economy. Forged receivers are stronger
    They are? I guess the tried and true fact that billet cranks are stronger than forged cranks in the automotive industry doesn't apply?

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