Ford's new aluminum F-150

[hatt]

GDI carboned up intake valves are very well known. Across all brands. I think it was Toyota that went so far they added a port injector to spray the intake valve in addition to the GDI. It's certainly is a motor issue. GDI is still being perfected.

[SHIVAN]

GDI carboned up intake valves are very well known. Across all brands. I think it was Toyota that went so far they added a port injector to spray the intake valve in addition to the GDI. It's certainly is a motor issue. GDI is still being perfected.

Understood, just being argumentative. The fact is, a sudden drop from 24.x mpg to 20.x mpg with a tangible fuel dilution in the oil should be a trip to FoMoCo. If I suddenly went from 14mpg to 10mpg with no changes to driveline, oil, or driving habits, I think it would be a long talk with the dealer...

Right?

[hatt]

Of course. The discussion isn't what to do with a new vehicle under warranty however. I'm planning on keeping this truck well out of the warranty period. If you trade every two or three years these issues are of no concern.

[SHIVAN]

Of course. The discussion isn't what to do with a new vehicle under warranty however. I'm planning on keeping this truck well out of the warranty period. If you trade every two or three years these issues are of no concern.

My dealer has this as long as I get my services done with them:

http://www.auto4life.com/

Which is a no brainer, as they give free loaner cars and are close to my office. So.....yeah, I'm not concerned.

[ramairthree]

Higher RPM? You mean like the 5.0L making it's peak HP at 5500rpm and the 3.5L TT making it's peak at 5,000rpm? Yeah, I can see where having to wind out the 5.0L to get to max HP could wear out a motor more quickly.

Oh, yeah peak torque for the 5.0L is 4250rpm and the 3.5L TT is 2500rpm and basically flat all the way out from there...

Oh, and the 5.0L is higher compression too, 10.5:1 vs. 10.0:1.




I guess you missed the reference, and the point.

I think you missed the "in general."

No one doing serious towing, in serious frequency, is going to run anything but a big diesel.

V8 gas engines or smaller induction aspirated engines are for weekend hobby to almost serious level towers.

I actually own a car with the 5.0 and am aware of its curve.

My GED vs. college grad weed head was a comment on college weeds heads vs. working pot heads- nothing more.

[SHIVAN]

I think you missed the "in general."

So which engines were you discussing then, I mean it is mostly a thread about the 5.0L or 3.5L that will be available in the new 2015 F-150, right? There are only two available motors, and one revs higher, works harder, and has a higher compression than the other here. Specifically speaking, the new F-150 will have three engine choices. The two main engines don't fit the description you laid out for high cubic displacement & lower revving, or high revving & small displacement. So, you can imagine why I would "miss" whatever it was that was being stated in reference to the topic.

No one doing serious towing, in serious frequency, is going to run anything but a big diesel.

Much like the 2A is not about hunting or sportsmen, I'm not looking to tow anything of substance, unless someone might need my help. In which case, the 3.5L TT is either the best engine, or at worst engine 1a, available for this chassis, and a pretty good trailer size.

V8 gas engines or smaller induction aspirated engines are for weekend hobby to almost serious level towers.

Thank God!! I'm glad I got the right truck for my needs, I was desperately searching out if I got the right one. I'm relieved knowing I did, thanks.

I actually own a car with the 5.0 and am aware of its curve.

The Mustang and the F-150 tunes of the 5.0 Coyote are much different. It's a shame they couldn't get the same HP/TQ out of the truck tune with that block, that would have been interesting.

My GED vs. college grad weed head was a comment on college weeds heads vs. working pot heads- nothing more.

Indeed, still missing the reference, and the point. Ford R&D has billions to develop a 3.5L TT F-150 motor. Proper testing, proper protocol, and nearly unlimited money.

Jeff Spicoli, a barely GED capable student, and pretty heavy weed user, had his dad's awesome set of TV repairman tools to fix a car that was FUBAR.



It didn't work out very well for the car though.

[Caduceus]

Living in AZ and having to have your piece of shit Ford's A/C get major repairs 3 times in under 90k miles will cure you of buying their garbage ever again.

I'm not just Anti Ford... If you held a gun to my head and said you have to buy an American made piece of shit, I'd probably settle on the lesser of the evils and buy an F150. If any of the big 3 could put a vehicle together that didn't fall apart after the warrantee expired, I'd pinch my nose and look the other way on the fat union slobs piece of it. But that's not going to happen.

Fortunately, Tacomas are (or at least, were), made in CA

[ramairthree]

So which engines were you discussing then, I mean it is mostly a thread about the 5.0L or 3.5L that will be available in the new 2015 F-150, right? There are only two available motors, and one revs higher, works harder, and has a higher compression than the other here. Specifically speaking, the new F-150 will have three engine choices. The two main engines don't fit the description you laid out for high cubic displacement & lower revving, or high revving & small displacement. So, you can imagine why I would "miss" whatever it was that was being stated in reference to the topic.



Much like the 2A is not about hunting or sportsmen, I'm not looking to tow anything of substance, unless someone might need my help. In which case, the 3.5L TT is either the best engine, or at worst engine 1a, available for this chassis, and a pretty good trailer size.



Thank God!! I'm glad I got the right truck for my needs, I was desperately searching out if I got the right one. I'm relieved knowing I did, thanks.



The Mustang and the F-150 tunes of the 5.0 Coyote are much different. It's a shame they couldn't get the same HP/TQ out of the truck tune with that block, that would have been interesting.



Indeed, still missing the reference, and the point. Ford R&D has billions to develop a 3.5L TT F-150 motor. Proper testing, proper protocol, and nearly unlimited money.

Jeff Spicoli, a barely GED capable student, and pretty heavy weed user, had his dad's awesome set of TV repairman tools to fix a car that was FUBAR.



It didn't work out very well for the car though.

You seem mad and seeing argument where there is not one.

I am not anti-ecoboost.

I am not anti- non super duty sized trucks.

I am not anti- gas engines or recreational towing.

I do get your point about Ford's RandD not being some young men doing a project on the cheap. My point is the engineers at Ford and the tech school guys working on a project are for more useful than most "educated" college grads with no skills. Just a difference in budget, equipment, and brainpower.

I am going through a similar process selecting a horse truck. My towing range puts me in a 3/4 ton, but planning on staying gas and not diesel and will not be towing full time, heavy duty that mandates diesel.

I have heard plenty of mis-applied general advice and knowledge regarding engine size and plenty from guys that tow nothing more than their little trailer of landscaping stuff saying how they/I need diesel.

[SHIVAN]

You seem mad and seeing argument where there is not one.

There was a claim made that high rev/low displacement engines wear more than low rev/bigger displacement engines, and I am seeking clarification on how this could possibly relate to the two main engine choices for the 2015 F-150, or even the two main ones being discussed in the thread you dropped that gem within.

Care to tell us what engines you had in mind when you thought it up, if not the 3.5L TT and the 5.0L Coyote?

[SHIVAN]

But my main point in replying is that the average GED tech school mechanic has far more useful skills and practical knowledge than the average 2.0 and go college grad with no calc, no physics, etc. who graduates after 5 years and is entitled to a job managing or administrating with no skills but "has been trained to think." I assume similar weed use by both groups.

Thought I would quote this again, and ask which of Ford's design engineers do we believe graduated with a 2.0 and no calculus, physics, fluid dynamics, chemistry, differential equations, etc? Just checking the claims, since both seem dubious, and I'd like all the knowledge I can get on the subject....