Republican Eric Cantor has lost his seat in VA

**NWPilgrim** · 06-12-14, 02:29

And now Rand Paul is jumping on the Amnesty bandwagon?! Must have seen how well it worked for Cantor.

**ABNAK** · 06-12-14, 02:41

Originally Posted by NWPilgrim

And now Rand Paul is jumping on the Amnesty bandwagon?! Must have seen how well it worked for Cantor.

Yeah, Rand is starting to make me wonder. I'm firmly in the Cruz camp but could have easily voted for Paul.....now I have to reevaluate that. I've seen where some Paul fans on TOS were saying that what he was proposing was NOT "amnesty" per se; it was that he supported some kind of permanent staus for "workers". Nah, I ain't buying it. Reeks of amnesty to me.

**Safetyhit** · 06-12-14, 08:35

Originally Posted by ABNAK

You sure about that? Remember, we got Obama TWICE.

Oh, and I'm tired of trying to woo the wishy-washy, "I don't know what the f*** I want from one election to another" "independents. We need to nominate a candidate that will bring out the base. The base wasn't motivated in '08 or '12 and you see what happened. Count me as one more who, although I did hold my nose and follow the party's RINO's in those two elections, will NOT do so again. Choose wisely in the primary booths come 2016 Republicans. Choose wisely......

(not directed at you necessarily Safety, just a generic warning)

This is the second reference to Obama being as far left as you can get in '08 but that simply wasn't the case and there are big differences between the two as candidates in that regard. For starters Obama was anti-gay marriage and while he claimed to want to close Gitmo he didn't say he planned to do so by simply letting them all go free. He boasted about reaching across the isle and improving relations between the parties while making government transparent, which aren't exactly extremist rantings.

Also I think we need to define what a "moderate" is in general because it seems most here aren't recognizing the middle ground between a true moderate and an extremist.

**glocktogo** · 06-12-14, 09:57

Originally Posted by Safetyhit

This is the second reference to Obama being as far left as you can get in '08 but that simply wasn't the case and there are big differences between the two as candidates in that regard. For starters Obama was anti-gay marriage (except he really wasn't) and while he claimed to want to close Gitmo (which he never did) he didn't say he planned to do so by simply letting them all go free (except that's exactly what he wants to do now). He boasted about reaching across the isle and improving relations between the parties (of which he did exactly the opposite) while making government transparent (of which he also did exactly the opposite), which aren't exactly extremist rantings (just placating pabulum for the ignorant masses.

Also I think we need to define what a "moderate" is in general because it seems most here aren't recognizing the middle ground between a true moderate and an extremist.

So all you've really pointed out is what a prolific, yet incompetent liar he is. To put it mildly, he is the MSNBC of politicians, completely untrustworthy. So please tell us what a moderate is in your mind, because from where most of us are sitting, a moderate is someone who can win a primary election while not standing a snowball's chance in hell of winning the general.

**chuckman** · 06-12-14, 09:57

Originally Posted by Safetyhit

This is the second reference to Obama being as far left as you can get in '08 but that simply wasn't the case and there are big differences between the two as candidates in that regard. For starters Obama was anti-gay marriage and while he claimed to want to close Gitmo he didn't say he planned to do so by simply letting them all go free. He boasted about reaching across the isle and improving relations between the parties while making government transparent, which aren't exactly extremist rantings.

Also I think we need to define what a "moderate" is in general because it seems most here aren't recognizing the middle ground between a true moderate and an extremist.

This is true, and it is true for both sides: while the Dems want to portray Tea Partiers as "extremist," we usually demonize the dems...most any of them...as far left or socialist. Pouring gas on the fire is what the parties do to make the fire grow and try to influence the indies. History does nothing to help, either...conservatives applaud Reagan for his conservatism but what did he do to taxes? Size of government? Immigration? If he ran today the conservatives would beat him down for being moderate and the dems would demonize him for being far right.

**hatt** · 06-12-14, 09:59

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/national...nator-in-2007/
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com...al-us-senator/

**The_War_Wagon** · 06-12-14, 10:21

Originally Posted by NWPilgrim

Republican blue bloods yapping for immigration amnesty will lose their base support. I have no idea who they think they are attracting. If you support amnesty and handouts you will vote for a Dem not a spineless Repub.

^^^ FOR... THE... WIN.

We need another operation like this, instead of more Fast & Spurious.

**Belmont31R** · 06-12-14, 10:40

Originally Posted by Safetyhit

This is the second reference to Obama being as far left as you can get in '08 but that simply wasn't the case and there are big differences between the two as candidates in that regard. For starters Obama was anti-gay marriage and while he claimed to want to close Gitmo he didn't say he planned to do so by simply letting them all go free. He boasted about reaching across the isle and improving relations between the parties while making government transparent, which aren't exactly extremist rantings.

Also I think we need to define what a "moderate" is in general because it seems most here aren't recognizing the middle ground between a true moderate and an extremist.

His most far left rating came from votes cast in the Senate. Even before he started campaigning (so he didn't have an excuse to miss votes) he was in the top 10-15 most far left. According to the football field analogy that puts him firmly in the red zone several years running.

He campaigned as a moderate but that was to hide who really is.