Things the Gun Community Need to Stop Doing

[BoringGuy45]

You do realize this is directly related to the 1968 Gun Control Act and the "sporter clause" qualification for import within that legislation don't you? Basically if the ATF finds that a given firearm is "not particularly suitable for sporting applications" they can reclassify it as "non importable" or in the event of another domestic manufacturing ban "not suitable" for domestic production.

10 years of being told your "flash hider is a felony" has made some folks a bit gun shy when it comes to declaring their firearm "has no sporting application."

The most important thing we could ever do is strike the sporter clause from the 68 GCA.

I know. My point was that, in a conversation with your average Kool Aid drinking anti-gunner, the "modern sporting rifle" argument is often used as a response to "You can't hunt a deer with that gun. Why is anyone allowed to own one of those things?" Instead of obeying the gun control's orders that, in a debate, that we'd better find an innocent reason for wanting such a scary gun or concede that it should be banned, we need to stand firm and give our reasons why we own weapons like an AR-15. It doesn't mean descending into "Shall not be infringed! Don't tread on me! Molon labe, mother****er!" We can give honest but diplomatically delivered reasons why we support the right to own these rifles and, consequently, why the 68 sporter clause should be stricken from the record.

[Safetyhit]

The issue isn't guns, it's control. Don't debate the guns at all - stay focused on the control. You can argue guns and action and capacity all day long; in the end, you'll still lose, because, as we all know, it will never be "enough."

Don't engage a debate about guns.

Actually you or someone representing you sure as hell better be able to intelligently and successfully debate about guns or we're all in trouble soon. More emotionally driven ideology that comment is.

Somehow we here forget we are a minority, that the viewpoints we hold so dear are not evident to most including a portion of the right. It wasn't supposed to happen but far too few of our fellow Americans understand the pitfalls of the government setting social standards let alone what led to something on the scale of the holocaust. They do not understand the many man-made catastrophes that have ravaged our planet over the millennia on most continents. They simply DO NOT fathom the potential for disaster some of us do because that's what happened a long time ago before everyone carried a cell phone and people were less civilized.

One thing I always appreciate is when a well spoken immigrant who was oppressed themselves by that bad old government over there long ago finds their way to a podium at a local town or county discussion regarding gun laws and offers some real perspective. Sad to say but we need more of them then the gung-ho dopes messing everything up for the rest of us now.

[rauchman]

Things the Gun Community Need to Stop Doing ...

While I pretty much agree with the above....

1. Have kids stop shooting up schools. Or rather, come up with some credible plan to address this.

At some point, public pressure to do something regarding school shootings will boil over. Whether it's right/wrong, logical/illogical, anti's/Dem's/etc. will have enough ammunition (pun intended) to paint a picture that in order to make your kids safe at school, assault weapons (yes, I understand the term is incorrect), handguns, high cap mags and maybe even ammo, will need to be banned. This issue is where the anti's are getting serious traction. Until a credible solution is given for this issue from the pro-gun crowd that is palatable for the masses, the anti's will continually gain ground.

2. Build a credible voice for pro gunners that does not involve the NRA. Rather, yes of course still have the NRA doing what they do, but also the need for non-NRA pro gun voices need to be out there and heard. The perception of the NRA from those who are not gun friendly, is that the NRA is holding the government hostage to a singular issue. The NRA makes an easy target for the anti's to fixate on. If there were more voices heard not affiliated with the NRA, I believe it would paint the perception that gun support is greater than what the anti's try to make the masses believe.

[Moose-Knuckle]

Well hell guys, I'm heading to Starbucks then Chipotle with my Kel-Tec trailer park Uzi . . . anyone else want to join me?

[fixit69]

I have all but stopped trying to have a conversation about guns or 2A if they are not openmined. You deal with enough people, you begin to see them pretty quickly. I would really not "go through the motions" so to speak, with people who can't open their mind. Not let me change it, just flick on a light and let them do the reading.

It is shocking the number of those who will not only "not read", but "turn the light off". These people you cannot reach.

[Trajan]

1. Have kids stop shooting up schools. Or rather, come up with some credible plan to address this.

That's like saying "have criminals stop committing crimes"; it's impossible. Get doctors to quit drugging kids up. Repair our broken society/morals.

I'd like for gun guys to quit open carrying rifles in public places to get a reaction. No one is impressed, quit acting childish.

[Moose-Knuckle]

Things the Gun Community Need to Stop Doing ...

While I pretty much agree with the above....

1. Have kids stop shooting up schools. Or rather, come up with some credible plan to address this.

At some point, public pressure to do something regarding school shootings will boil over. Whether it's right/wrong, logical/illogical, anti's/Dem's/etc. will have enough ammunition (pun intended) to paint a picture that in order to make your kids safe at school, assault weapons (yes, I understand the term is incorrect), handguns, high cap mags and maybe even ammo, will need to be banned. This issue is where the anti's are getting serious traction. Until a credible solution is given for this issue from the pro-gun crowd that is palatable for the masses, the anti's will continually gain ground.

2. Build a credible voice for pro gunners that does not involve the NRA. Rather, yes of course still have the NRA doing what they do, but also the need for non-NRA pro gun voices need to be out there and heard. The perception of the NRA from those who are not gun friendly, is that the NRA is holding the government hostage to a singular issue. The NRA makes an easy target for the anti's to fixate on. If there were more voices heard not affiliated with the NRA, I believe it would paint the perception that gun support is greater than what the anti's try to make the masses believe.

Whoa just read that, how are gun owners responsible for school shootings? Gun owners need to get behind the NRA and their suggestions of putting armed police/security in schools. Our ISD just annouced every freshman in the district is going to get an Apple notebook. Wasting money on things like this and not armed security is one of the problems. We have armed security at airports, banks, etc. then why not at schools?

[OldState]

The best thing is take some time and educate yourself on the history of the 2nd Amendment as well as the tradition of the right to self defence. Read up on not just what the Founders said but also what THEY were reading that influenced them

The right to self defence is a natural right of every human being no different than the right to free expression, religion.

In my almost daily argument with anti gun Liberals, this is the approch that shuts them down. Total silence.

[WillBrink]

The best thing is take some time and educate yourself on the history of the 2nd Amendment as well as the tradition of the right to self defence. Read up on not just what the Founders said but also what THEY were reading that influenced them

The right to self defence is a natural right of every human being no different than the right to free expression, religion.

In my almost daily argument with anti gun Liberals, this is the approch that shuts them down. Total silence.

Per my sig. I have yet to have anyone counter it. The is what anti 2A/anti human rights/anti Liberty types do when faced with such a thing, ignore it. Counter it, never.

[yellowfin]

Things the Gun Community Need to Stop Doing ...

While I pretty much agree with the above....

1. Have kids stop shooting up schools. Or rather, come up with some credible plan to address this.

At some point, public pressure to do something regarding school shootings will boil over. Whether it's right/wrong, logical/illogical, anti's/Dem's/etc. will have enough ammunition (pun intended) to paint a picture that in order to make your kids safe at school, assault weapons (yes, I understand the term is incorrect), handguns, high cap mags and maybe even ammo, will need to be banned. This issue is where the anti's are getting serious traction. Until a credible solution is given for this issue from the pro-gun crowd that is palatable for the masses, the anti's will continually gain ground.

They're not gaining ground, first of all, and second and more importantly, we the pro gun people need to start going after the anti gun political and social complex and dismantle it so we don't have to keep worrying about when they'll eventually be able to win. We need to work on shutting them down permanently rather than do what we've done in the past just trying to stop them for a day or two at a time. Our biggest problem with the antis isn't that they're numerous, but they're persistent, trying to catch us sleeping or wear us down. We've got to stop tickling the snake's tail and instead chop its head off.