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    Quote Originally Posted by cbx View Post
    Was reading somewhere that isis was getting trained by the mujahdeen, which were trained by the Chechens, which were probably trained by us.

    Don't know if that's legi. Anyone really know?

    . Maybe Someday we'll quit doing this proxy war thing and not have to deal with blow back.

    Worst part of all, the next round is going to be so much worse. God help us if these sum bags really do some damage here in the conus.
    You've got it mixed up, we trained the Muj in the 80's, not the Chechens. In all reality, most of the original Muj we trained are long since gone- but the Chechens learned a bit in their conflict with the Russians (some from Muj but mostly the hard way) and should not be underestimated.
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    Thanks for the correction guys. Sorry, I did mix it up. Little tired. Me and the mrs just had a baby this afternoon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cbx View Post
    Thanks for the correction guys. Sorry, I did mix it up. Little tired. Me and the mrs just had a baby this afternoon.
    Congrats!

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    Quote Originally Posted by E_Johnson View Post
    more captured western equipment. UN vehicles are from the overrun Golan Heights position.





    At least the UCP pattern will have a home after we finally drop it...



    TOW missiles are becoming quite prolific back inside Syria, check out youtube...



    Trifecta! M-16, uparmored truck, and M-198 howitzer

    Howitzers and TOW missiles.... this just gets better and better. That pretty well just leaves m107 rifles and javelin missiles left to show up in photos.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cbx View Post
    Was reading somewhere that isis was getting trained by the mujahdeen...
    ISIS is trained by the CIA clandestine service, or was.

    There was a 7 week course in Qatar for pre-screened "FSA Fighters only."

    One of the Syria based VICE reports had an interview with a fighter who received the training. He had a library of the Arabic FMs we used on MiTTs plus a duffel bag of gear- he pulled out a nice, new, USGI lensatic compass from the bag.

    The problem with that approach is that Jabhat-al-Nusra, FSA, ISIS, and other groups all have interlocking memberships.

    We should be doing everything we can to support the secular, suit wearing people in the region- up to and including re-issuing new chemical weapons so we can wag a finger at Asad when he actually uses them to save the world.

    Fighting against Saddam made no sense.... ever.

    Fight against Qaddafi in 2011 made no sense.

    Fighting against al Asad is completely insane.
    (Unless you're trying to justify a robust, overt American presence on the ground in those places)
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    Quote Originally Posted by KalashniKEV View Post
    ISIS is trained by the CIA clandestine service, or was.

    There was a 7 week course in Qatar for pre-screened "FSA Fighters only."

    One of the Syria based VICE reports had an interview with a fighter who received the training. He had a library of the Arabic FMs we used on MiTTs plus a duffel bag of gear- he pulled out a nice, new, USGI lensatic compass from the bag.

    The problem with that approach is that Jabhat-al-Nusra, FSA, ISIS, and other groups all have interlocking memberships.

    We should be doing everything we can to support the secular, suit wearing people in the region- up to and including re-issuing new chemical weapons so we can wag a finger at Asad when he actually uses them to save the world.

    Fighting against Saddam made no sense.... ever.

    Fight against Qaddafi in 2013 made no sense.

    Fighting against al Asad is completely insane.
    (Unless you're trying to justify a robust, overt American presence on the ground in those places)
    I watched a PBS special on the CIA training process and came away with the complete opposite opinion on who they're instructing and arming. They seemed to have almost been too careful about vetting who they're training, and even then only trained a very small number at a time, to a point that it's laughable. The FSA fighters they were embedded with were spending more time fighting ISIS than Assad because they thought they were a bigger threat, with limited success.

    Don't even get me started on invading Iraq and starting this quagmire...
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    I would venture that the recent air strikes there was to take out the captured equipment such as the armor and the artillery more so than the individuals. Even if that were not the case, aside from better small unit tactics and personal equipment and gear, I doubt any significant number of ISIS members know what to do with tanks, artillery, and aircraft. It is one thing to use those assets (I was arty, you don't just pull the string), another to use them effectively. That would take the kind of time and training only an actual established military can provide. Anyone who spent more time with these guys have input on that?

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    nation building, particularly in that region, is utterly pointless. God bless the kids who sacrificed so much over there, but the region is a lost cause (nothing new). Ive got no problem with mauling direct threats to our nation, but we gotta get our shit together and pull some of our proverbial irons out of the international fire.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kaltesherz View Post
    I watched a PBS special on the CIA training process and came away with the complete opposite opinion...
    Perhaps the vetting is tough, I don't know what that part looks like, but the product of that training is rejoining insurgent formations with the goal of overthrowing the Asad regime. If they do their part and spread that training throughout the force, then that doesn't help regional stability or our national interest.

    We should be bolstering the Asad regime and putting the squeeze on ISIS via proxy.

    If I were President, I'd even let Iran pay for it and provide the air support in exchange for lifting the sanctions, loans for development, oil on favorable terms, and iPhones for everyone.

    Quote Originally Posted by CGSteve View Post
    I doubt any significant number of ISIS members know what to do with tanks, artillery, and aircraft.
    I'm sure there are guys in ISIS, particularly the JRTN guys, that have a lot of experience in a tank. There are 9th IA Division guys trained on M1 Abrams in their ranks.

    Do they have the $$$, parts, ammunition, fuel, space, time, and people to break off a training set and conduct training?
    Yes, Actually they do.

    Did they do it?
    Who knows?

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    It would be just as ignorant to think they cant quickly figure out how to use this equipment and establish some training as it is to dismiss them as cave dwelling savages. Prior military service is by my guess probably more common than in our society but either way, veterans arent too hard to find and information on alot of this stuff is available. Combine the two and you have a start. We dont exactly recruit potential rocket scientists to operate and maintain most of our "sophisticated" weapon systems
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