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    Quote Originally Posted by crusader377 View Post
    I don't know if we will ever know where the ISIS got the Sigs, yes it could be a contractor gun but it could also have been captured from Iraqi military or police forces. Remember most of the middle east militaries are divided into many different and often competing fiefdoms and often each of these will purchase their own weapons. It is not like the U.S. or western European nations which will have a pool of money and standardize on one or maybe two rifles. In the ME, these pools of money might go to a dozen different groups and they will each make their purchases.

    Another thought is it could have been a ISIS gun from the Syrian civil war purchased by some of our so called allies in the region (Saudi Arabia, Gulf States, etc..).

    It also could have been supplied by the CIA or other American assets to arm supposedly more moderate Syrian groups and either traded, stolen, given, or captured from there by the ISIS.
    I can't imagine sig selling to any of these entities though...

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    Quote Originally Posted by trinydex View Post
    the idea that people who live in caves are weak is a little bit stupid.

    people who live in caves are hard, accustomed to living hard lives and surviving.

    the line from generation kill comes to mind: "sleeping on the ground and living on rice…these are hard men. You guys whine if your MRE doesn’t come with pop-tarts"
    Have you ever got a MRE without a pop tart or poundcake? Shit sucks man, you try fighting on a stomach full of vegetable ratatouille and mre fried rice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trajan View Post
    Fighting insurgents is different from fighting nation-states.

    We won Iraq like we did any other nation-state. Unfortunately, in doing so, we overthrew the dude who prevented this Sunni and Shiite civil war.

    Now we have dudes who want to re-establish the caliphate fighting dudes who are waiting for the twelfth imam to reappear with Jesus to save humanity.
    These turdburgling chodaphiles are definitely not to be underestimated. But they are savages, nontheless.
    I still stand by the statement that this could be won if we didn't fight one handed, blind-folded and with our own media just chomping at the bit to burn us for he slightest misstep.
    The distinction between insurgencies and nation-states is not as clear as it seems.
    The fact is that the insurgencies we are currently dealing with rely on supplies, training, funding, shelter and ideology from other ..... nation states.
    Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Iran at the top of the ****ing list, not to mention numerous other shit-disturbers.
    If we started stomping on these mother****ers and stopped funding our enemies, maybe we could start talking victory, or at the least, anything other than defeat.

    Instead of playing Whack-A-Mole, let's get to the root of the problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by trinydex View Post
    I can't imagine sig selling to any of these entities though...
    I don't see why not. The government of Saudi Arabia or one of the Gulf States are legit and SIG would have no legal problems selling to them or the Iraqi Army or Security/Police forces. Once in the hands of the customer, SIG or any other mfg. has little control what they do with the weapons.

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    Unintended consequences are real. It happens a lot. Enemy of my enemy is my friend is a very short term game.

    Could you imagine if something awful like a U.S. supplied aircraft gets used in retaliation or a kamikaze event.

    We're going to look back some day, and the consensus will be that lack of SOFA was the wrong call.

    Makes me sad that some my friends have spilled blood in that hell hole. And yet, We'll probably still have to go back.

    All those years of work... only to have them better armed, experienced and trained.

    Wouldn't that be something if a lot of the Sunnis the coalition trained end up fighting on the other side in round two.

    Ww2 required nuclear weapons to get the Japanese to quit, because they wouldn't. Ever. They would fight till the last man.

    Fear is the ultimate weapon. It messes with you even in your sleep. My guess is that the isis boys were able to up root two Iraqi divisions because isis is known for obscene brutality. Even after the fight is over. Cut off heads, take no prisoners. I watched part 4 of clang the swords, and had to sit and process it afterwards. It's top of the line violence. They even killed the guys kid in the one Scene. And it's not "got ya @$&!#“. It's were going to sit here and taunt you, mind f you, and then cut your head off.

    I wonder how many guns like the m2and mini gun are in isis hands now?

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    Quote Originally Posted by crusader377 View Post
    I don't see why not. The government of Saudi Arabia or one of the Gulf States are legit and SIG would have no legal problems selling to them or the Iraqi Army or Security/Police forces. Once in the hands of the customer, SIG or any other mfg. has little control what they do with the weapons.
    I wonder how easy it is to find out if this happened.

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    Quote Originally Posted by trinydex View Post
    I wonder how easy it is to find out if this happened.
    It probably would be pretty difficult because what ever weapons that the ISIS are using probably passed through multiple hands before they received them creating plausible deniability. Personally, I think the big issue is not small arms but how much equipment did the ISIS capable from the Iraqi army particularly MANPADs like the Stinger or other advanced weaponry. We gave the Iraqis way too much advanced hardware and I fear with events in Iraq we had an indirect hand in creating a far more powerful terrorist group than AQ ever was.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cbx View Post
    Fear is the ultimate weapon. It messes with you even in your sleep. My guess is that the isis boys were able to up root two Iraqi divisions because isis is known for obscene brutality. Even after the fight is over. Cut off heads, take no prisoners. I watched part 4 of clang the swords, and had to sit and process it afterwards. It's top of the line violence. They even killed the guys kid in the one Scene. And it's not "got ya @$&!#“. It's were going to sit here and taunt you, mind f you, and then cut your head off.
    THIS. We used to destroy our enemies. Now we give them Humanitarian Assistance and apologize if we might have offended them.

    A great man once said "Crush your enemies, to see them driven before you, and hear the lamentations of their women"
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    Quote Originally Posted by trinydex View Post
    I can't imagine sig selling to any of these entities though...
    Easy chance some foreign entity sent their embassy peeps to buy rifles from a US distributor or gunshop on a DSP-5...then somehow it ended up here, intentionally or otherwise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kaltesherz View Post
    We used to destroy our enemies. Now we give them Humanitarian Assistance and apologize if we might have offended them.
    Liberalism is an extremely dangerous, and soon to be deadly, mental disorder.

    Thanks for the responses. I've learned some new things. It looks as though the AR will remain viable, even in the hands of these throwbacks to the 7th century, as long as they have ammo. The best we can hope for is that they lose some small parts in the sand during disassembly.

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