Will Hillary Clinton Be Our Next President?

[brickboy240]

Yeah...I too would like it to collapse and we start over.

However...it is much more likely that we just become Italy, France or England. A flabby, worn out, broke and overtaxed shadow of our former selves. That state can last for a generation or two, unfortunately. We could see decades of over-taxation, a downgrade in our lifestyles, zero-growth policies and a 10-15% unemployment rate as the "new normal."

That is much, much more likely than some Mad Max styled societal crash and re-start.

I too thought Obama was unelectable. Then again...after nearly 10% unemployment and doubling gasoline prices...I thought there was no freaking way we'd be stupid enough to re-elect these people.

...but it happened.

Hillary in 2016? Yes...don't kid yourselves...it is very much a reality.

-brickboy240

[Big A]

I am curious to see just how many M4C members are paying attention to current events and in particular Hillary Clinton running around on the circuit. Her latest appearance on CNN should make it very clear as to her intentions.

Make no mistake about it. She is going to push for another Assault Weapons and High Capacity Magazine Ban.

I'm curious to hear what other M4C members think.

I have no doubts that she will win in 2016.

And since Sandy Hook I have been operating as if a ban is going into effect tomorrow. I don't have everything I want but I'm buying what I can as fast as I can.

[TacticalSledgehammer]

All these bad politicians are to some people are their skin color or the fact they're a woman. To a large percentage that voted last election, apparently that's all that matters.

[BoringGuy45]

I thought Obama was VERY much electable in 2008. I friggin' knew, even when Hillary was still in the running, that he would be the next president. He had quite a few things that made him a shoe in:

-He's (half) black and a lot of white people wanted to pat themselves on the back for how un-racist they were for voting for a black president.
-He was new; he didn't appear to have that establishment taint that most of the long time Washington politicians had.
-He appeared to have a lot more in common with the average person than the aristocrats that usually won. True or not, that's how he appeared to the average idiot voter.
-His opponents were more boring than The Scarlet Letter.
-He had never said anything of substance beyond campaign slogans, and his track record was a lot of good-sounding ideas.
-The country was in the midst of collapsing into a depression and coming off a very polarizing president.

Hillary already has strikes against her. A lot of states could vote against her at least as the lesser of two evils.

[SteyrAUG]

Yeah...I too would like it to collapse and we start over.

Won't be anything like you hope or imagine. The population that gave us Obama and the threat of Hillary would be the new founding fathers. A reboot would remove what few Constitutional protections that are still being respected and this country would go full retard.

[SteyrAUG]

I thought Obama was VERY much electable in 2008. I friggin' knew, even when Hillary was still in the running, that he would be the next president. He had quite a few things that made him a shoe in:

-He's (half) black and a lot of white people wanted to pat themselves on the back for how un-racist they were for voting for a black president.
-He was new; he didn't appear to have that establishment taint that most of the long time Washington politicians had.
-He appeared to have a lot more in common with the average person than the aristocrats that usually won. True or not, that's how he appeared to the average idiot voter.
-His opponents were more boring than The Scarlet Letter.
-He had never said anything of substance beyond campaign slogans, and his track record was a lot of good-sounding ideas.
-The country was in the midst of collapsing into a depression and coming off a very polarizing president.

Hillary already has strikes against her. A lot of states could vote against her at least as the lesser of two evils.

ALL OF THAT and we ran McCain against him who had no real solutions or ideas for the existing problems.

[WillBrink]

Right after the last elections, I posted my feelings that Obama didn't win, as much as the GOP lost. That is, it was the GOPs election to win or lose, and they lost it in an ugly fashion. I think this coming election will effectively be the same, and the GOP will win or lose for the same reasons they couldn't beat a highly unpopular POTUS on his re election: train wreck for a candidate and running mate, focused on the wrong issues, etc.

Until the GOP gets back to it's roots, and stops allowing those in power to lead it and cater to those it's focused on in the past few decades, the GOP will lose vs Hillary winning per se.

When Obama on his second term was viewed as the lesser of two evils to choose from, as most did, you know the GOP needs to clean house and get back to what I refer to as "old school" Republicans who were fiscally conservative and socially liberal. Modern day Libertarians are closer to old school Repubs than the current GOP who are FUBAR.

So, I feel the same way i did when Obama got re elected, this one is up to the GOP to win or lose, and I'm not optimistic. Hillary wins, GOP needs look in the mirror as the reason.

[Honu]

Sadly I still feel it's the progressives %100 of democrats and over %50 of the Republican Party
That %50 of republicans will fight and block and sacrifice there own and are closer to the dems than true conservatives

Truly feel the power that political leaders strive for won't change and will keep getting worse until we can limit terms for congress etc... Even to the point of no family can have two presidents with in say 5 generations so once is not riding the favors there father setup for them to step into power
Also drop the income down to something that is not a career and take all lobbying out and make any kickbacks etc.. A serious crime with serious prison time

Sadly the system is broke so who ever sits in the big chair won't matter to much

[hatt]

The only way the Rs will produce a decent POTUS 16 candidate is if the Dems were to win the house in 14. Rs are totally content with having a single piece of .gov. Rs went to the right in 94 and 10 when they had no power. And won big. Other elections they headed left.

[skydivr]

When the GOP stops listening the the Democrats about how they "must be more like us or they will never when another election" and get back to their conservative (TP) roots, they will then give Americans a clear choice, and many in the silent majority that haven't voted in years might actually get disgusted enough to come to the polls and bring us back from the precipice..or maybe not...