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Yes that was my attempt at making fun of people including people here on this forum who think that you need magnification to engage targets past 200 meters.
My point was, that as long as you can see your target and know how to shoot (i.e. good trigger and breathing control) then iron sights are not a limiting factor. This is a big problem in the military because there are so many dudes who think that a ACOG makes them shoot better, that just isn't the case.
I do prefer a non magnified red dot optic (aimpoint) reflexive firing/ combat applications. other than that I have only 2 rifles in the safe that sport magnification. My mk12 with a 2.5-10 nightforce and my sr25 with a leuy MKVI. I try to shoot 11.5 inch carbine at 200 and 300 meters as much as I can and with a t1 micro or troy flip up buis it is not that difficult to score hits and a VTAC target.
Unless your rifle is being used for precision purposes then don't worry about putting glass on it.
Right on. Until last week I had a solid 300 meter zero. Thats when I knocked over my rifle on some hardwood flooring and found my red dot no longer aligned with the irons. In the end it wasn't my red dot or my troy fixed front sight that moved, but I narrowed the misalignment down to my rear MBUS.
Admittedly I had not confirmed my 300 meter zero until this year, only 36 meters. It has really brought a new level of enjoyment to long distance shooting with irons.
Now that I am on terminal and almost out of the Corps I do not think I will ever have the chance to shoot as far as I have ever again. It is certainly disappointing I miss the competition of shooting expert and busting my buddies ass about his very hard earned pizza box. I will also miss the MK 153 SMAW.
Last weekend I attended a Project Appleseed event with my kids ( www.appleseedinfo.com) It taught proper position shooting that none of us have had the opportunity to learn. I'm non-mil, so my training has primarily been civilian carbine classes. My kids have basically just learned from me.
My oldest daughter, for a variety of reasons, probably has only fired a hundred rounds in her life out of an AR. Using iron sights (FSB and D.D. rear) out of a basic BCM 16" carbine, with a sling, she was clanging 200 yard "F" style targets standing at about 75%. Her prone hits at 400 yards was above 75% also. All this from an essentially "new" shooter.
Even though I usually run an Aimpoint, I removed it for this event. Testing myself with irons was very rewarding and opened my eyes to their possibilities.
When I bought my 6920 the LGS employee told me to buy an optic because the iron sights were no good. I put an eotech on it and never thought twice about it. Once I saw this thread I put the carry handle back on and zeroed according to this thread:
https://www.m4carbine.net/showthread...d-Trajectories
It's not 400 yards, but I was able to shoot at 100 yards today. I have never shot much at all with irons so I admit I am deficient in this area. This was my target
100 yards standing
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I enjoy teaching people to shoot with iron sights. The transition to a RDS or magnified optic is easy and they have a greater appreciation for the optic.
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