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    I found a local PWS dealer very near to where I live and I was able to handle a 16" piston gun with a keymod rail system, a "Modern Musket" DI rifle, and a .308 build that was fantastic. They all felt like exceptionally sturdy, and quality rifles. They also felt lighter than other AR piston rifles I have held and fired in the past. The store clerk informed me they had sold a "Pistol" earlier in the day with the SB15 equipped, I would have loved to seen that one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CharlieDeltaJuliet View Post
    Here are the photos of the HK barrel end after a month in salt water and almost 2 months out without cleaning. Also from a machinist point of view, it is some of the toughest steel to turn down in a lathe. The only steel I have seen remotely as tough was a Sako TRG-42. I will get photos of the FH barrel up ASAP. I have to go get it from my shop. If you want to wait a month, I can put it back in salt water, other than that I suggest you go buy your own before making such an OPINION known.

    As far as the "people" that you speak of that wanted a civilian 416 and not a match barreled rifle... We had a meeting,it was unanimous, please don't speak for us!! If you want a 416, you can buy them. They cost upward of $5k for an upper and $10k for one of the few hundred semi autos that were up for sale in Texas a few months ago. If you go buy one, then please feel free to gripe all you want, but until you do, don't point out things you hear as being facts. I, along with many more own the HK MR556 and gotta call BS on the majority of your reasons. I promise, I am not trying to be mean, but it irks me when people grip about something and think they speak for everyone, and it's nothing more than personal opinion anyway.

    Excuse the quality of the photos, they were taken a few minutes ago with my IPAD. I only had this piece of barrel here because of the way it held up. (The FN barrel only rusted where the fresh cut to shorten it was). I will try a Colt next as I have a friends barrel waiting to be cut.




    If some of you cannot read or see clearly I cannot help any of you, but this post explains a lot about HK barrels. Sorry but the competition does not really compare in many respects, please read between the lines. This is why HK has the best barrels in the world. Thanks to CharlieDeltaJuliet for the pics. Also HK does treat the barrels on MR556 just does not tell exactly what it is..

    On another note companies like DD make excellent barrels.
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    If it has a surface conversion then it's all good. I've had unlined CMV barrels rust to the point where the rifles failed when a safe heater failed in winter.

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    Strength of steel doesn't make it rust proof. It also doesn't mean it's accurate. HK fanboys are the worst.

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    Quote Originally Posted by leibermuster View Post
    Also HK does treat the barrels on MR556 just does not tell exactly what it is..
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    I guess you guys don't know how to read, it's like you guys are reading off a script. It's funny how I have to quote myself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RyanB View Post
    If it has a surface conversion then it's all good. I've had unlined CMV barrels rust to the point where the rifles failed when a safe heater failed in winter.
    That is true, but they are not HK barrels.

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    The HK MR556 is a great rifle for civilians. It is a very well made rifle by a company with a history of exemplary QC/QA. It is a proven design, is extremely reliable, very clean, very accurate, and has a great barrel by a company that knows how to make barrels. Not all steel is created equal, and HK uses very good barrel steel. It is not chrome-lined but is still very durable and corrosion resitant. HK91s and HK93s also have unlined barrels. Many of those have seen considerable use over the years, plenty as sear hosts with lots of full auto fire, and yet there are very few if any reports complaining about HK barrels quality/durability. HK MG4 was originally tested with unlined barrel and successfully fired over 100K rounds.

    We're all firearms enthusiasts on these forums, and in my experience that means we like to obsess over minutiae that, when viewed objectively, really doesn't matter at all in the real world. If viewing it as a civilian self-defense rifle, the MR556 really only has two legitimate negatives:

    - Cost
    - Weight/Balance

    1. Cost - It's expensive. Very expensive. It's not going to stop being expensive. If you think a better price/value ratio is had with less expensive weapons, rock on. However, that's a decision based on individual financial situations and a personal cost/benefit analysis. Being expensive does not negate the fact that the MR556 is very reliable, very accurate, and very durable.

    2. Weight - The MR556 is nose-heavy and weighs more than it needs to in stock form. This is all due to it's uber heavy barrel profile. If it is too heavy for your handling preference, there are better balanced/lighter weight options out there. This negative can also be corrected by reprofiling the barrel, but that contributes to negative #1.

    All the other talk/complaints about 1) the tab on the BC to prevent full auto and 2) the lack of chrome lining are really nothing more than enthusiast's complaints that the M556 doesn't look enough like/closely enough match an HK416. They're valid complaints from an enthusiasts/collectors standpoint, but they don't effect the MR556's viability as a civilian self-defense rifle. The interwebz needs to admit this and move on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by leibermuster View Post
    HK makes the best barrels in the world. FACT
    "Colt Canada" comes close second but not that close.

    Are there other companies barrel making abilities worth noting out there...??? YES. Absolutely

    For most users out there PWS will be sufficient for your needs. If I want a 16.5 rifle that will do all things very well HKMR556a1 and the newer models coming (HK416A5 features) would be a fine choice. The price has already been determined as why it cost more than domestic American made AR's (partly US fault and German constitution influenced by US) so yes this sucks the price being a little to high in some areas. [U][/U]Chrome lining on an HK barrel is not needed or wanted in most circumstances anymore, the only reason many big armies still go with it and have it as a specific requirement is because it is based on old out of date doctrine.

    When HK comes up I always find the arguments are coming from other people working for companies that are in direct competition with HK or have some German phobia/vendetta score to settle..lol..
    There hasn't been a "German phobia/vendetta score to settle" since the swastika was flying. Throwing in off the wall comments like that doesn't help you present your case. No one here has a German phobia. Germany is one of our closest allies, and rightfully so.
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    Sorry to start a firestorm - I was just looking for first hand knowledge of the way they shot- I am an admitted HK fanboy- who owns multiple USPs. And I LOVE my PWS


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    Quote Originally Posted by leibermuster View Post
    [B][U][/U]Chrome lining on an HK barrel is not needed or wanted in most circumstances anymore, the only reason many big armies still go with it and have it as a specific requirement is because it is based on old out of date doctrine.
    I really like HK weapons, but I vehemently disagree with you on this point. I've been deployed to environments that have caused corrosion on our weapons, and I am quite thankful that we had chrome-lined barrels or it would have been much worse.

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