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    If you have not yet configured the lowers as rifles, you may configure them as pistols. From my research, the BATF states a lower isn't a pistol or rifle until it is barreled. A lower with a rifle stock (no upper) is still transferred as "OTHER" because the stock can be removed to be configured as a pistol.

    If you first configure a receiver as a rifle, it will always be a rifle.

    If you first configure a receiver as a pistol, you may reconfigure it as a rifle. A pistol receiver that is re-configured as a rifle may again be re-configured as a pistol. It is up to the possessor to perform the re-configuration in a sequence so that it is never in an illegal configuration.

    These rulings are the result of the lawsuit by Thompson Center vs the BATF.

    Unless the first configuration of your lowers were as a rifle and a rifle barrel installed, it may still be configured as a pistol
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    Quote Originally Posted by MistWolf View Post
    If you have not yet configured the lowers as rifles, you may configure them as pistols. From my research, the BATF states a lower isn't a pistol or rifle until it is barreled. A lower with a rifle stock (no upper) is still transferred as "OTHER" because the stock can be removed to be configured as a pistol.

    If you first configure a receiver as a rifle, it will always be a rifle.

    If you first configure a receiver as a pistol, you may reconfigure it as a rifle. A pistol receiver that is re-configured as a rifle may again be re-configured as a pistol. It is up to the possessor to perform the re-configuration in a sequence so that it is never in an illegal configuration.

    These rulings are the result of the lawsuit by Thompson Center vs the BATF.

    Unless the first configuration of your lowers were as a rifle and a rifle barrel installed, it may still be configured as a pistol
    Hmm, I did not know that. I thought it had to be a pistol marked lower or something but then again I never really looked into it.

    That's got to be the stupidest thing I've ever heard though. How in the world would the ATF ever know what sequence you assembled the lower in? Then again, there's probably a predator circling my house right now.


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    Pistols AR's are handy, just keep in mind the fact that they are loud as hell depending on what muzzle device you use. If your wife is even remotely finicky, then I think that might be a turn off.

    I built my wife an AR based on left over parts I had on hand. The handguard was a quad rail from my Les Baer Patrol Spcl and it didn't even bother her. I think that most folks that have never shot rifles really have no opinion on things like handguards since they have no prior info to base it on.

    IMHO, focus on the training aspect when ever you get your gun built. If your wife cares about using the rifle she will acclimate to the equipment on it unless it physically keeps her from using it. As for the MOE handguards, I think they will work fine.

    I also second the opinion above to have her play with the parts before you buy them if possible. You can always take her to the local gun shop and have her handle different guns with different furniture/barrel lengths.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Iraqgunz View Post
    I know you won't listen to me, but I would advise you to stay away from a 14.5" and stick with the 16".
    This is some great advice. Especially since he's building these with his gal in mind.

    Op, It's up to her to say what SHE likes best, and well, with a perm'd 14.5 you sol on doing so. Well, that and 14.5's are just an un needed pita for really no real world benefit other than the fact you can say "I have what the military uses" at your local gunshop, and end up quoted by someone here, on the "heard it in a gunshop" thread lol.
    From TOS ... "buy the shit out of that thing, all the mil spec is just nonsense."

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    Quote Originally Posted by lahunter57 View Post
    As far as her opinion on handguards, she couldn't care less. I told her that one of the rifles was hers and and laughed at me. So, I'm stuck making the decisions.
    Now be honest with yourself, if your wife is expressing this level of disinterest in an AR purportedly for her to the point where she is unwilling to provide any input on something that can affect the feel of the rifle, that may be a clue that she just isn't that in to the idea of having her own AR. IMO, drive on with your own idea's but do heed the advice given about barrel lengths and such. A 16" ELW from BCM would be a great choice.

    Quote Originally Posted by lahunter57 View Post
    Then again, there's probably a predator circling my house right now.
    Impossible, the Predators are hovering around my house, their control frequencies keep bleeding through my tinfoil hat.

    Quote Originally Posted by Slvr Surfr View Post
    Pistols AR's are handy, just keep in mind the fact that they are loud as hell depending on what muzzle device you use. If your wife is even remotely finicky, then I think that might be a turn off.

    I also second the opinion above to have her play with the parts before you buy them if possible. You can always take her to the local gun shop and have her handle different guns with different furniture/barrel lengths.
    All firearms that shoot rifle cartridges out of pistol length barrels are going to have horrible concussion with standard MDs. There is a reason why reloading manuals have a separate section for rifle cartridges shot out of hunting pistols.

    I will third trying out a variety of rifle handguards, but it goes back to point one of this post. She isn't expressing the necessary enthusiasm that really makes it worth your while. IOW, drive on with your own thing, if she comes around reconfiguring isn't that big a deal.

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    2 years ago I started down a similar path when my wife and daughters (college-aged) shot one of my AR's (DDV5) for the first time. They had a blast and the girls even taped their targets in their college apartment (wicked head shots). A few months later, we all shot rifles again and I started down the path. I got a BCM blem lower from Grant and a DDV7 upper. I replaced the MFR with a Centurion CMR and put a H1 on it. It is incredibly lightweight and easy to shoot for my wife and daughters. The only complaint was a few weeks ago when the hand guard heated up after about 120 rounds in about 15 minutes (a couple of their friends shot with us). I've now put the panels on the rails where my wife and girls hold the gun. I handle it out on the end of the hand guard so the panels don't get in my way either. This has been a great set up for them and I enjoy shooting it too.
    As previously stated, I would stick to a 16" since things will change and she may tell you a year from now what she prefers. It's not like my wife is going down to the LGS to "try on" several options.

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    "BCM 16" LW/ELW Upper with KMR Rail (13 or 11") - set it up the way Larry Vickers has his in their promo material (X300 out front, DD Fixed sights, Aimpoint [H1, T1 if you insist] Micro on DD Mount).
    Grab a BCM Blemished complete lower (with whatever setup it comes with from G&R), and drive on from there."

    I've been thinking the same thing exactly, but with fold down sights & an H1. I am using all of my will power to resist getting one of these. Very tempting.
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    Well guys, I think I have it figured out.

    I'm going to throw the idea of building identical rifles, I don't want to limit myself to the same configuration in 2 weapons.

    Both rifles will feature 16" barrels so I can maintain the ability to change things if need be.

    Rifle 1: BCM 16" LW with FSB and Magpul MOE. Fixed DD rear sight. This will be my truck/beater rifle

    Rifle 2: 16" LW barreled upper with ALG EMR and DD fixed sight with plans for a T1 in the future.

    Rifle 2 would more than adequately serve my other half if she decides to come around and Rifle 1 may be upgraded to the C4 at a later date


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    Right on. Didn't want to discourage you or anything, but it looks like the brainstorm session produced some good configurations for you. I think you'll be happy with the 16" barrels, and those suggesting the idea gave solid advice. Curious what you are going for with your pistol grips.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JS-Maine View Post
    Right on. Didn't want to discourage you or anything, but it looks like the brainstorm session produced some good configurations for you. I think you'll be happy with the 16" barrels, and those suggesting the idea gave solid advice. Curious what you are going for with your pistol grips.
    I think so too! The other day I made a dumb comment about some people on here but most of y'all are awesome and provide amazing advice and information. I wish I had found this place before I bought my first AR.

    Right now I have MOE pistol grips on the lowers but I'll have to put one in her hands and see what she thinks of it. I have a ton of A2's laying around. If she likes the profile then I'll just grind off that stupid little nub that makes incompatible with human hands.


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