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    Hobby Lobby birth control rights case going to Supreme Court

    I don't know what Hobby Lobby insurance plan is right now but I'm guessing they are like most business insurance and allow women to get birth control as always. It may vary from state to state but please correct me if I'm wrong.

    What they are saying I think is they don't want to be forced by Obamacare to pay for everybody's birth control for FREE. Including all of those expensive options besides the pill.

    They don't think they should have to pay for Plan B or morning after due to religious reasons supposedly but I don't think any employer should be forced to do more than they are already doing under Obamacare regardless of their religious stance. People are still free to buy it like they always have been. I'm sure a lot of employers don't want this either because it's making our healthcare more expensive unlike the unemployed welfare leeches that want everything for free.

    The media is making this into a women's rights issue to help Democrats and Hillary. They have been saying for a while all Republicans are against women's rights to try to get more people to vote for Hillary.


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    Quote Originally Posted by SixEight View Post
    I don't know what Hobby Lobby insurance plan is right now but I'm guessing they are like most business insurance and allow women to get birth control as always. It may vary from state to state but please correct me if I'm wrong.

    What they are saying I think is they don't want to be forced by Obamacare to pay for everybody's birth control for FREE. Including all of those expensive options besides the pill.

    They don't think they should have to pay for Plan B or morning after due to religious reasons supposedly but I don't think any employer should be forced to do more than they are already doing under Obamacare regardless of their religious stance. People are still free to buy it like they always have been. I'm sure a lot of employers don't want this either because it's making our healthcare more expensive unlike the unemployed welfare leeches that want everything for free.

    The media is making this into a women's rights issue to help Democrats and Hillary. They have been saying for a while all Republicans are against women's rights to try to get more people to vote for Hillary.


    http://www.wisconsingazette.com/tren...n-workers.html

    They already cover a majority of BC. They didn't want to cover stuff that the manufacturers themselves deemed to be an abortion. I saw a news segment a while back where they read the manufacturer's own wording on this particular medication and it was capable of causing early term abortions intentionally.

    They already cover the majority of normal BC. This was like a handful of meds they didn't want to cover because of the abortion issue.

    Glad the SC ruled the way they did.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Belmont31R View Post
    They already cover a majority of BC. They didn't want to cover stuff that the manufacturers themselves deemed to be an abortion. I saw a news segment a while back where they read the manufacturer's own wording on this particular medication and it was capable of causing early term abortions intentionally.

    They already cover the majority of normal BC. This was like a handful of meds they didn't want to cover because of the abortion issue.

    Glad the SC ruled the way they did.
    I'm glad also. Ginsburg equates the decision to discrimination against blacks or gays. What a joke.

    Listening to the Left, you would think we are living in the 1800s again.
    "If force can take away liberty, force is necessary to preserve it. It is the hatred of violence alongside the willingness to use violence that preserves liberty. In order for us to live as free men, we have to hate the violence that takes away liberty, yet at the same time, we must embrace the violence that preserves it. That is the paradox our founders appreciated and made work for over 200 years."

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    Hobby lobby is a good ol' OK owned company. This was a win for religious freedom. Hannity said (paraphrase) that just because you open a business doesn't mean you give up your religious ideals. I tend to agree.

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    Too much partisan bullshit surrounding this decision, most of it based on conflating the issues of religious freedom and access to health care. The two are not mutually exclusive. For a balanced discussion of this decision, read Emma Green's piece here: http://www.theatlantic.com/national/...-women/373717/

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    Let's not equate the extremity of the Left with the Right and not kid ourselves.

    I agree the case and aftermath is largely partisan because the Left through the media has the majority of control over the heavily one sided political spin.
    Is the religious Right, Hobby Lobby and Conestoga Wood using this decision as a basis to assert religious freedom? Of course they are because that was central to the case.
    Second is the freedom of a privately held, family owned corporation not to be forced to provide often expensive birth control not previously afforded under most health care plans. Women are still free to purchase any form of BC they choose or seek outside assistance from the government. Whether this will hold up for publicly traded corporations is anyone's guess but I hope the SC will also take a similar stance if presented with such a case.

    The majority of the media and pundit spin is that women are being (partially) denied access to (additional free/low cost) birth control (they would be afforded under Obamacare). The parentheses are mine. Read without the parentheses leads the uninformed to believe something wholly different than if read with.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SixEight View Post
    Women are still free to purchase any form of BC they choose or seek outside assistance from the government. Whether this will hold up for publicly traded corporations is anyone's guess but I hope the SC will also take a similar stance if presented with such a case.
    Not the government, hobby lobby. The majority actually suggested that the government pick up the tab for birth control that small privately owned and operated businesses refuse to pay for based on religious grounds.

    And the ruling is intentionally narrow in scope, it cannot be used by publicly traded corporations. The court most likely would not rule the same way either.
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    I'm still in the belief that .gov shouldn't be in any of this. Good job for Hobby Lobby. My the libs bash their own heads. The lies they are foaming at the mouth are laughable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mauser KAR98K View Post
    I'm still in the belief that .gov shouldn't be in any of this. Good job for Hobby Lobby. My the libs bash their own heads. The lies they are foaming at the mouth are laughable.
    Agree.


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    I also agree - the govt. has no place in these types of issues.

    However....do we really want these people reproducing? LOL

    Pass them all out boxes of rubbers! LOL

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