Hobby Lobby birth control rights case going to Supreme Court

[jpmuscle]

Let's subsidize education too while we're at it. Oh wait...

[TriviaMonster]

Paying them to take it is actually a pretty damn good idea, in my view. It would be a bargain in comparison to how much the alternative costs in the long term. Some stats from our .gov link to study -

How do we prove they are actually gonna use/take it? Sounds like the Obama phone catastrophe all over again?

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[MistWolf]

The less free birth control that's available to poor and uneducated people will only result in an increase in unwanted children...

Poor and uneducated people are working for Hobby Lobby?

There are folks who believe that using abortion as birth control is murder and has a real impact on spiritual growth and progression. I am one of those. If I were running a company and the .gov came to twist my arm to provide abortion as birth control, I'd tell them to get stuffed as well. I'd rather stand before a judge to explain why I stand against murder than stand before God to explain why I didn't.

The current regime is bound and determined to pound the American people into submission. More people need to stand up and remind them who is in charge. It's time to remind ourselves that the .gov does not defend or define our liberties. We do

[kwelz]

The misinformation on both sides of this have been staggering. For instance Plan B doesn't cause abortions.

[Waylander]

The misinformation on both sides of this have been staggering. For instance Plan B doesn't cause abortions.

I'm sure you know that statement is up for debate is I'm guessing why you posted it. You also know us discussing it for days won't solve anything.

[Peshawar]

How do we prove they are actually gonna use/take it? Sounds like the Obama phone catastrophe all over again?

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There are methods besides the traditional daily pill that could be administered in a doctor's office and that last for substantial periods of time. Depo-Provera, implants, vascectomy, getting tubes tied, etc. Again, it's a "pick your poison" type of social problem. I'm looking at it from a purely financial standpoint, because I don't personally hold religious beliefs that would preclude being able to support it. For those that do, I am not attempting to attack their beliefs. But there is a pattern in our society where many of the people that do not wish for employers to give their employees complete access to ACA coverage (that would include the controversial BC methods) would also like to not have to pay for unnecessary additions to the ranks of those receiving public subsidies. The long term social effects are pretty clear at this point (unwanted children -> crime and increased government subsidies, be they welfare or incarceration costs). My opinion is fairly pragmatic I think, because the notion that a lot of people will suddenly start caring about their futures and taking personal responsibility seriously seems like magical thinking. But hey, I don't know. I thought it was posed as a question to be discussed, and I'm not wishing to offend any of my M4C colleagues over it.

[MistWolf]

Using methods to prevent pregnancy is one thing. Terminating pregnancies because they are inconvenient is something entirely different.

But there is a pattern in our society where many of the people that do not wish for employers to give their employees complete access to ACA coverage (that would include the controversial BC methods) would also like to not have to pay for unnecessary additions to the ranks of those receiving public subsidies. The long term social effects are pretty clear at this point (unwanted children -> crime and increased government subsidies, be they welfare or incarceration costs)

Not so. First, the issue at hand is forcing a company to provide medical services to it's employees the people running the company find unethical, corrupt and downright evil. Not telling companies they cannot provide a service.

Second, it's not that people who find abortion as a method of birth control as unethical do not want to pay for the additions, it's that it's wrong to enable irresponsible behavior. Just because a child is born into a disadvantaged situation that doesn't mean they can't rise above it. Poverty isn't as hard to overcome as the government system of assistance that keeps people from bettering themselves

[Peshawar]

I typed out a reply, but zapped it. Upon further reflection, given the nature of this debate it's probably wisest for me to abstain (pun intended) from getting too deep into it. Hopefully we as a society will come to some sort of agreement that works well for all sides.

[nimdabew]

One of my Liberal wack-a-do family members posts shit like this on their FB wall all the time. There is always going to be a left/right divide as long as ignorence like this characterizes the opposites.

[Belmont31R]

That picture expresses a lot of butthurt about not being able to tell other people what to do.