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Thread: Interesting article by Army SOF on MK18 use

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    As the Author of the article, I understand arguing for using a shorty rifle like the MK18 is almost the same as bringing up the Weaver vs Isosceles or Glock vs M1911. I am putting myself in a almost no win situation. 2-3 years ago if you had asked me the best M4 set up for combat I would have said hands down 14.5 barrel at least for length. I too would have looked at running a shorty in Afghanistan as silly.

    The 1st half of the article is my attempt at explaining why the shorty is so popular based on how I see it being employed over here. I truly understand why some will not agree and ballistic wise there are many good valid reasons why the MK18 may not be the best choice, but bottom line it is a very popular set up here. Go to any thread about SOF or troops in combat on here, AR15.com and other sites and you might notice at least more than half the pics of guys that are SOF are running shorties.

    Now to address some of your points here,

    By one shot stop I meant the 5.56 in general, article wise I know it looks like meant at 700 meters. The point I was trying to make was that unless you got a head shot, 5.56 is overall not the best man stopper at any range to begin with (as many of you might know from your own 1st hand experience).

    The photos of the rifles are all in use (even the one with the Elcan that is mounted really far back to the rear) Yes I know its way too far back, personally I would not run it that far but I have used many Elcans and many have some proper eye relief issues. So maybe this guy has issues or he just like it that way.

    The rails it was pointed out some may not be drop safe tested and deemed flimsy for combat use its what some guys are running.

    For this article every time I saw a interesting rifle set up I asked the owner if I could get a picture of it. Are all MK18's and M4's being modified by the guys here no, but at least half have some sort of non issued accessory, the intent was to capture what items are popular with the guys here. And maybe a little of why they like it.

    With any piece I write I expect disagreement and for some to be critical, that's perfectly acceptable. Within the shooting community many (myself included) justifiably base their rifle and gear selection on their job, training and combat experiences. What might work for one or many may not work for you that's fine, you need to run what does work for you.

    My intent was to hopefully show off some popular shooting accessories, and try answer the why behind the popularity of the MK18 from my perspective.

    Thanks everyone for taking the time checking it out and the feed back-------- JG.

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    Gotta say, I'm happily surprised by the quality of the response.
    Well played.
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    ^^^ Just thinking exactly that...very well played.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alpha-17 View Post
    The rifle is seen more as a personal defense weapon (PDW) than as a primary tool to engage the enemy.
    I am also confused about that comment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by platoonDaddy View Post
    I am also confused about that comment.
    I know of some that used to carry only 3 extra M4 mags because if they ever got into it heavy, they'd just call CAS. Maybe something along those lines?


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    I'm glad M4C is still M4C. I thought this thread was going to result in a bunch of cheerleaders backing the latest and greatest video game guns, given the suggestion made in the OP.

    Edit: Beat by F2S.
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    Got a chance to read the article. Like Dano, the full STOP moment came when the "game changer" mentioned was the SF suppressor.

    Looking at some of the gun setups were, well like reading TOS. BAD lever?? Really?? I think what is hard for Civy's to believe/understand is that not all HSLD types are "gun guys." In fact, very few are. So when we see articles like this, we have to somewhat scrutinize what is being said.





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    I love how a SOF member's load out can cause such a stir to a community of "gun guys". It's apparent that constant training and actual real world use can offset supposed deficiencies in gear selection. It's also eye opening, to me at least, that some hard core fellas are willing to duke it out and risk their lives as well as their buddies lives on equipment this forum has deemed "not worthy".


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    Quote Originally Posted by Nocalsocal View Post
    I love how a SOF member's load out can cause such a stir to a community of "gun guys". It's apparent that constant training and actual real world use can offset supposed deficiencies in gear selection. It's also eye opening, to me at least, that some hard core fellas are willing to duke it out and risk their lives as well as their buddies lives on equipment this forum has deemed "not worthy".


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    I think you missed the point of the discussion here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by platoonDaddy View Post
    I am also confused about that comment.
    I don't think it's strange att all. Are there times when the carbine is the only weapon to be had? Of course. But then again if I got into a firefight and had the option I'd prefer to shoot at the enemy with the M240 or an M2 rather then a bunch of carbines. A regular infantry platoon has quite some firepower within it's own organization even without calling in mortar or CAS imo. I think this is even more true for regular infantry then SF. The regular infantry squad I saw when deployed sacrificed mobility by bringong more firepower then a dismounted SF patrol. If you take vehicles into the mix it can be another story.
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