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Thread: Interesting article by Army SOF on MK18 use

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    Quote Originally Posted by MorphCross View Post
    We're not telling you not to be enthusiastic about an upcoming platform, you can feel however you want to feel about it. Just don't expect cheerleading from those of us who are skeptical about platforms that haven't reached any significant level of production especially if they lack vetting through testing in the military. We've seen what happened with the Masada, we've seen what happened with Kel-Tecs more recent designs, RobArm XCR could have, should have, would have. If the MDR end up being a commercial success, you can feel free to come on here and say "neener-neener-neener, I told you so" but until that time, respect our right to be skeptical.

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    Exactly. It wasn't meant to be a personal attack, Tacti-square.

    Now I'm off to the Custom Build Form to see all of the Mk18 "clones" that look absolutely nothing like Mk18s.

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    Ha ha... yeah... to Dano's point... there are definitely some Match Homo rail/hand guards on some of those guns. They don't belong there for sure.

    But the "game changer" bit is puzzling. I don't think SureFires cans make THAT much difference. I bet it's more of a combination of the limited set ups that the guy ran.

    I've moved my same can from gun to gun and got more gassed out on some guns than others. There's more to it than this can is gassy and that one isn't. There's simply only so much gas you can reduce with any baffle stack and still make the can small enough to be functional.

    My bet is the guy just got a nicer combo of parts and credited SureFire for the success.
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    Is it possible that some of those setups belong to ex-SOF guys, now contractors?

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    The author is talking about rifles in a war zone, modified by guys who spend far more time studying how to win battles than what is the best free float tube for the AR. We at home, have the the luxury of spending hours online to find just the right part and complain when it takes more than three or four days for the Man in the Brown Shorts to bring it to our door. Delivery service isn't as reliable in theater, accessories and parts aren't always available through approved channels, commanders often limit what can be used and on top of that, they also have to deal with ITAR.

    It could be that the Surefire is a game changer, not because it's best choice, but it's good enough choice or finally available in enough quantities, that the advantages of using a short rifle are suddenly attractive. Some look at the rifles pictured in the article and see clown shoes. If authentic, and I have no reason to believe they are not, what we are really seeing the current American warfighter continuing the long held tradition of using worn out, less than ideal equipment to get the job done
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tacti-square View Post
    Forgive me; a new rifle design comes along that looks promising, and suddenly I'm not allowed to show enthusiasm for it unless it's been adopted by 20 countries? To my knowledge the MDR is not featured in any game. Sorry for being excited about a cool platform, guess I'll only watch SHOT coverage that's 5+ years old from now on.
    Sorry for the thread drift. But after talking to some of the guys at DT, the MDR concept is great but actually getting it to work has been a significant challenge.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MistWolf View Post
    The author is talking about rifles in a war zone, modified by guys who spend far more time studying how to win battles than what is the best free float tube for the AR.
    Absolutely agreed. Many of the guys who really "do it" don't get bogged down in the gear obsessing that we do.
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    Reliability is by far the most aspect of a firearm.

    If it works, there is little difference overall in what accessories you use.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Koshinn View Post
    Reliability is by far the most aspect of a firearm.

    If it works, there is little difference overall in what accessories you use.
    The stuff has to hold up. I don't want to put words in Dano's mouth, but some of those match gay tubes are designed for flitting around a bunch of barrels... not a war zone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nocalsocal View Post
    I didn't miss the point. Just an observation. I just thought that the guys on the tip of the spear would be using the stuff that we (or at least me) consider cutting edge, bomb proof equipment. No doubt there are better options but apparently the guys who roll with the author are either behind the times or satisfied with what they have. But like you said not all HSLD guys are "gun guys".
    Ya i mean what are these HSLD guys doing not listening to all the freedom forum fighters and mall ninjas here on the internet forums. What are they thinking? I can't believe they are using gear that we civilians don't believe are the best option for them. What a bunch of idiots...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Emtothedee View Post
    Ya i mean what are these HSLD guys doing not listening to all the freedom forum fighters and mall ninjas here on the internet forums. What are they thinking? I can't believe they are using gear that we civilians don't believe are the best option for them. What a bunch of idiots...
    Make sure to take the time to read Dano's comments in this thread. He is a known SME and expert on gear/guns and deployment of such (read not a mall ninja).



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