Combat Focus Shooting AAR

[NCPatrolAR]

You mean the one about standing on one foot and kicking the slide to close it reload technique?

I don't even recall. That sounds right or maybe it was something to do with that asinine fake....uh fit shot program

[Ed L.]

You mean the one about standing on one foot and kicking the slide to close it reload technique?

I believe he teaches that as a reload technique to close the slide one-handed after one of your arms has been disabled after you have managed to get a magazine into the handgun.

Okay, let me understand this. Hitting the slide release is too fine of a motor skill to use under stress. But somehow after being shot you are going to be able to stand on one foot while bringing the gun behind you and kicking the slide to make the slide close? Without getting into my many disagreements about the system, inconsistencies like this make a system fall on its face.

Having said all of this, for someone who never had any formal training and probably never will, this system is much better than not having any training.

That's my opinion, take it for what it's worth. But keep in mind that my last job was as a driving instructor at the county drunk tank.

[Heavy Metal]

Like you can't rack the sites against a hard object or reach up with your thumb. F-ck, I will rack them against my upper teeth if I have to!

I call this the Motley Crue Technique, AKA 'Kickstart my Heart'.

[HeadHunter]

In fact, Givens has stated that a student of his (a lady that owned/worked at a Stop 'n Rob, IIRC) utilized the side step to great effect during her self-defense shooting (store robbery, IIRC), as video footage showed the attacker visibly pause due to the side step, which gave the student time to draw and engage the target.

There's a little more to it. Tom is a friend of mine and I've watched the video several times. The woman is Thai and only a little over 5 feet tall. She sidestepped behind a display cabinet that was on the counter. It was almost as tall as she is. From the attacker's point of view, I expect she almost completely disappeared behind a position of concealment. I wouldn't count on getting the same result by just sidestepping out in the open.

[Caduceus]

I'm late to this party, so forgive me ...

I've only been to 2 pistol classes, so take this at face value. I'm also not in a gun-carrying profession.

I did a class at Acadami, where they taught the "bring the gun back, then drive out" between transitions. Not so much for retention, but rather to avoid "over shooting" the next target. With your hands out, you look then swing your arms/torso and may overshoot, then have to stop, reverse motion, and settle the sights on the next target. By bringing the hands in, your head/torso move, and you present the weapon already on the target. I suppose it depends on how fast you can move and get on target, but it seems to make sense in that regard.

Regarding "bullets backwards." I've been taught that at a rifle course ("beer can method."), for rifle mags only. To be honest, I like indexing pistol and rifle mags forward, but have tried it just to keep my mind open. Still not entirely sold on it (if it works, why change it), but it does seem to change the motion of my support hand.

[hogarth]

I'm late to this party, so forgive me ...

I've only been to 2 pistol classes, so take this at face value. I'm also not in a gun-carrying profession.

I did a class at Acadami, where they taught the "bring the gun back, then drive out" between transitions. Not so much for retention, but rather to avoid "over shooting" the next target. With your hands out, you look then swing your arms/torso and may overshoot, then have to stop, reverse motion, and settle the sights on the next target. By bringing the hands in, your head/torso move, and you present the weapon already on the target. I suppose it depends on how fast you can move and get on target, but it seems to make sense in that regard.

Regarding "bullets backwards." I've been taught that at a rifle course ("beer can method."), for rifle mags only. To be honest, I like indexing pistol and rifle mags forward, but have tried it just to keep my mind open. Still not entirely sold on it (if it works, why change it), but it does seem to change the motion of my support hand.

Also late to this thread. But, also regarding "bullets forward":

For pistols, bullets are always forward for me.
For rifles, if I only ever used an AR I would also do bullets forward. But, I sometimes use rifles that need the mag rocked in, like an AK, and for them I find I pretty much have to use the beer can grip. Thus, my rifle mags are bullets to the rear for commonality of training platform to platform.

[Failure2Stop]

Forward/rearward mags are highly dependant on handling characteristics, especially with rifle mags. Making absolute statements will likely end in embarrassment for the issuer in arenas that are not clear cut and dependent on user variables.

[Caduceus]

Forgot to add, one additional reason for the "in and out" transition is to allow you to turn your body towards the threat, establishing a more solid base than if you were to rotate torso only (ie, feet pointed still towards target one, not target 2).

Obviously, if targets are close, not a big deal, but if you're swinging a few dozen feet in a different direction it gets less stable. Also acknowledging that you may have to shoot in a less-than-perfect stance.

[jondoe297]

The Pincus cult is just one of many.

Amen. Which cult is worse, Pincus or Yeager?

[TAZ]

Forgot to add, one additional reason for the "in and out" transition is to allow you to turn your body towards the threat, establishing a more solid base than if you were to rotate torso only (ie, feet pointed still towards target one, not target 2).

Obviously, if targets are close, not a big deal, but if you're swinging a few dozen feet in a different direction it gets less stable. Also acknowledging that you may have to shoot in a less-than-perfect stance.

I can comprehend the less momentum when swinging with the gun near the chest; IMO you'd be better off training to not overshoot the transition and save yourself the wasted time of pulling in and then driving the gun out again.

Not sure I get the whole you can't turn your body with your arms out if it's required.