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    Offset irons

    Changing up my rifle a bit. I've currently got an Aimpoint mounted with Troy folding backup sights. I'm switching to a low powered scope and was hoping to move the sights to offset mounts as the clearance isn't there to mount them traditionally.

    If anyone has a similar set-up, could you please chime in and let me know which mounts you used? Any issues, clearance or otherwise?

    I did do a search but wasn't able to find anything recent or specific to my question.

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    I use KAC mounts for Mk6 and Mk8 optics with KAC offset irons on a daily basis.
    Just in case you can't see my sig line, I am an employee of KAC, so take my advice how you want.

    For hard-mounted optics, offsets are the way to go, but are a bit limiting for support-side use.

    For general use with variable optics that are usable at lowest power, I prefer to use traditional top-mounted flip-up irons in conjunction with a QD scope mount.
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    Jack,

    Are the KAC folding offset sights still available?

    Thanks

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    The KAC option is the lightest that works well, and being able to fold them aids with storage. They're the most expensive, but if you have a low powered variable with near-unity zoom at the low end, being able to leave them folded is excellent and gives you a storage/low-snag profile option. For a weight conscious rifle, I'd say the weight delta is worth the cost premium (over the Dueck RTS or similar) alone, the folding is just the side benefit.

    Basically, since a low powered variable precludes the ability to run irons cowitnessed, offset irons are the next best thing. I don't find the support side to be quite as limiting (I don't run an angled cheekweld stock, just a UBR on those rifles), but that's still not great (but it's a low % use arrangement). More importantly, having an offset unity zoom sighting system with an optic that's dialed up to 4x-6x means engaging closer targets quickly becomes an option again without moving the support hand.

    Finding them might require some patience, but they're around. The longest backorder I've observed the last few months was a matter of a few weeks; I'd argue it's worth the wait.

    The KAC units do not play well with VLTOR's MUR-1A setup trying to mount them on the rear. I just gave up, removed the peep aperture adapter and ran both sights on the handguard - it works very solidly, and a side benefit is that I'm no longer losing track of the narrow front sight post on the KAC BUIS up front because of the really long sight radius + awkward head position. I'd say a wider front post would be slightly better, but in the configuration I'm running they're basically ideal.
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    Appreciate the advice so far but I've got these Troys that I'd like to use. Just need the mounts right now. What I'm seeing advertised are being marketed as "optics" mounting platforms, most specifically for RDS's. I'm assuming they'll work for irons, just wanted to hear from someone who may be using them in case there were some issues I'm not able to foresee. Hate to spend the money only to find they won't work.

    Thanks again guys.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RGraff View Post
    Appreciate the advice so far but I've got these Troys that I'd like to use. Just need the mounts right now. What I'm seeing advertised are being marketed as "optics" mounting platforms, most specifically for RDS's. I'm assuming they'll work for irons, just wanted to hear from someone who may be using them in case there were some issues I'm not able to foresee. Hate to spend the money only to find they won't work.

    Thanks again guys.
    Essentially offset rail mounts with BUIS attached to them. I don't personally have any experience with them though I am curious as well about the set up and to hear about peoples personal experience.

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    The KAC offset sights are awesome.
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    Any offset mount will work but it might be funky as far as how far they stick out. I would recommend buying the $30 amazon ones to see if you like it. You might want to go with a RDS and ten I would recommend maybe jut spending $120 on a primary arms reflex and a Daniel defense or MI offset mount. Just to see if what you like. Of course I am adding you don't already know you love offset irons.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RGraff View Post
    Appreciate the advice so far but I've got these Troys that I'd like to use. Just need the mounts right now. What I'm seeing advertised are being marketed as "optics" mounting platforms, most specifically for RDS's. I'm assuming they'll work for irons, just wanted to hear from someone who may be using them in case there were some issues I'm not able to foresee. Hate to spend the money only to find they won't work.

    Thanks again guys.
    Tried that route years ago, not an efficient solution in my experience.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Failure2Stop View Post
    I use KAC mounts for Mk6 and Mk8 optics with KAC offset irons on a daily basis.
    Just in case you can't see my sig line, I am an employee of KAC, so take my advice how you want.

    For hard-mounted optics, offsets are the way to go, but are a bit limiting for support-side use.

    For general use with variable optics that are usable at lowest power, I prefer to use traditional top-mounted flip-up irons in conjunction with a QD scope mount.
    Jack, is this the offset BUIS you are mentioning?

    http://www.knightarmco.com/product-h...olding-sights/

    Can you please tell us how is the rear sight graduated? It is marked 200 to 600 m, but for this to work the graduations must match the ballistics of a certain load, and there must be a specific distance from the shooter's eye to the rear sight, and a specific distance from the rear to the front sight.

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