FBI wants 9mm handguns

[Amp Mangum]

Going to be interesting to see what pistol they end up with.

[platoonDaddy]

Going to be interesting to see what pistol they end up with.

Think they will ever make a decision and stick with it?

[signal4l]

My PD just dumped our 6 month old SIGs for G21/22 pistols.

I didnt even get the phrase "9mm" out before I was told no. Some people dont known what they dont know (including police chiefs)

[montanadave]

Outside of Hostage Rescue and the regional SWAT teams, they should have kept their 3" S&W Model 13's.

It was good enough for Efrem Zimbalist, Jr.

[BoringGuy45]

Outside of Hostage Rescue and the regional SWAT teams, they should have kept their 3" S&W Model 13's.

I'd rather have thirteen to fifteen rounds of 9mm than six .38 Specials.

[Biggy]

Think they will ever make a decision and stick with it?

No. Not as long as they have our free money to use to blow on their new toys. From the 10mm abortion to the .40 S&W caliber Smiths and Glocks after the 86 Miami shootout and now back to the good old 9mm probably shooting some bonded 147gr HP ammo.

[ramairthree]

I still remember the pistol MTT we got back in the 80s when we traded in our .45s for M9s. Two weeks of Beretta specific instruction to introduce it.

Regular SOF units had 40+ year old pistols that were rattle trap loose, crappy magazines, etc. The reliability and accuracy of these 1911s was abysmal. Guys that bought their own .45s were spending more money on ramp polishing, etc. just to get reliable personal pistols. In the same way many newer AR owners don't understand what it was like, your options, etc. to buy an AR in the 80s and 90s, I do not think those only used to the modern 1911 selection understand what the .45 world was like then.

Sure, we thought .45 hardball was a better killer than 9mm hardball, but the new pistols themselves were very welcome.

They were accurate, reliable, and doubled your capacity.
A SIG or Glock was rare and not sure if had even seen in a movie or on TV yet.
Mel Gibson was already racking up a body count with a 92 and Bruce Willis was soon to be.

I still find Berettas very reliable and accurate. And the capacity, especially with MEC-GAR 18s and 20s, is on par with modern 9mm capacities. While DA/SA is up there with VCRs, carburetors, and other 70s/80s stuff in terms being dated-
they gave the military just what it wanted.
It has upgraded the locking blocks,
offered a reinforced slide version,
a decocker only version,
basically addressing in house any perceived or real issues with the exception
of the poor after market magazine issue the military had.

it is my understanding they could easily tool the M9 from the slide mounted safety into a frame mounted version that allows SA cocked and locked SA, AND also DA/SA capability with a safety, AND manual decocking. If that is what was contracted for. Rumor is they have not offered it for the civy market as Taurus already owns this niche, AND- they are horrible at "getting" what the civy market is looking for.

I am noticing a trend in an increased number of all metal guns showing up at production class matches (CZ, Beretta, Taurus, etc.) compared to just a few years ago. Of these types, there are a ton of Beretta parts, mags, etc. out there and 9mm is cheap.


Just interesting to see over time how the whole .45 to wonder 9 to 10mm to 10mm for girls (40) to .45 rules to "fill in blank with SA round that = .357 mag ballistics of the year" to 9mm progression.

[SPARTAN HOPLITE ARMS]

but on other forums 9mm are for wienies and a 45 will knock your bad guy down

You're way off man...usually throws him across a large room and leaves a softball sized hole......

[BBossman]

I'd rather have thirteen to fifteen rounds of 9mm than six .38 Specials.

Yeah, you never know when you'll need to put a few in a stuck filing cabinet drawer, or take on a dangerous empty toner cartridge, maybe apprehend a runaway stapler.

[MountainRaven]

This is why neither of you will be politicians.

Too smart.

On the other hand, does anyone know if the .mil M9s will be sold to the civvy market or just tossed to some right wing dictatorship overseas for $5 a pop?

Under the current administration, I would expect retired .mil M9s to be sold to some tinpot potato-penis. And if that is not to be their fate, I expect that they'll be destroyed.

In any case, if I were Amerigod for a day, I'd create a committee of male and female handgun gunfight survivors and charge them with selecting a compact 9mm handgun and a full-size 9mm handgun and then force all Federal LE and the military to adopt it. And then task ATK to develop some "barrier blind" 9mm cartridges for military use that happen to perform quite well in terms of expansion and penetration on human beings.

Yeah, you never know when you'll need to put a few in a stuck filing cabinet drawer, or take on a dangerous empty toner cartridge, maybe apprehend a runaway stapler.

So you don't have a problem with carrying a six-shot revolver on a daily basis and turning over your Glocks/H&Ks/1911s/&c.?