Jury Awards Ventura $1.8M in Defamation Case Against ‘American Sniper’ Chris Kyle

[Sensei]

I don't think CK ruined JV reputation. I think JV did that all on his own way before CK made a statement about 1 paragraph long in a book. For ex. I pretty much knew exactly who he was referring too while reading his book before I knew anything about the fight in the media or CK on tv saying it was JV. This means that his reputation was already tainted. On top of that, CK didn't profit only because of that one little excerpt in his book, his book sold for people wanting to read about the American hero.
While I agree it could have been left out, it certainly didn't all of the sudden change JV reputation.
Now we see JV is going atl free the publisher which he claims "didn't do his due diligence to bet the story." Well it shouldn't matter, because the book does not specifically name JV it talks about a character named scruff face.
How would anyone have known who it was to even as CK in interviews (or even think it important to ask in interviews since it was such a small and sidetracked, unimportant part of the book) if people couldn't already draw the conclusion who it was based off of the reputation of JV in the first place alluding more that his reputation was not hurt by a small statement in a book

I disagree. JV was developing the reputation as a moonbat conspiracy theorist, but not a traitor or someone with disdain for his country. It appears that he was courting the Alex Jones crowd for his future livelihood. CK's comments in the book and on TV shifted this image to something on the level of the Westboro Baptist Church which made JV unemployable. You may disagree but that is how a jury saw it.

[steyrman13]

I disagree. JV was developing the reputation as a moonbat conspiracy theorist, but not a traitor or someone with disdain for his country. It appears that he was courting the Alex Jones crowd for his future livelihood. CK's comments in the book and on TV shifted this image to something on the level of the Westboro Baptist Church which made JV unemployable. You may disagree but that is how a jury saw it.

The comments in the book never led me to believe he was a traitor, but more of run his mouth. He is apparently employable to be able to afford the 1.8mil in lawyer fees he is claiming to have to owe.
Either way it wasn't a smart move on CK part, but it literally was such a small part of the book, I just read it and got back to the story rather than worrying about that small detail.
I feel the court case is what brought more attention to the small part of the book rather than the actual paragraph in the book drawing the attention of the world.

[ptmccain]

The whole thing does not change my opinion about either of them

CK hero

Ventura zero

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[TiroFijo]

Apart from the lawsuit drama, it never ceases to amaze me how people are willing to believe some impossible war stories, and apparently NEED to create superheroes and put them on a pedestal.

There are plenty of heroes (of all kinds) around, without all the mystical properties, but people don't like to recognize that.

[Sensei]

Apart from the lawsuit drama, it never ceases to amaze me how people are willing to believe some impossible war stories, and apparently NEED to create superheroes and put them on a pedestal.

There are plenty of heroes (of all kinds) around, without all the mystical properties, but people don't like to recognize that.

I think that much of CK's post-war shenanigans were an attempt to stay relevant. In the SEALs he was larger than life, a living legend if you will. There are several reports that he struggled with the transition back to an "ordinary" life. This is not uncommon and each person has their own strategies for making the change. Only in Chris' mind, he may not have been ready for that change. Perhaps these fables are a manifestation of the superhero taking down the bad guys with fists of furry that he wanted to remain after the service.

That is my $0.02 psychoanalysis of how this stuff happens. Take it for what it's worth.

[Sensei]

I feel the court case is what brought more attention to the small part of the book rather than the actual paragraph in the book drawing the attention of the world.

The O'reilly interview is what brought the spotlight. "The Punch" as it is called was the center point of the interview which led to more interviews. Suddenly, it is no longer just an obscure page out of the book, but a major point of discussion. That is how these lies snowball. There was no case before that interview because JV was never formally identified as Scruff Face.

[Irish]

Even after the judgement the Kyle family still has millions made off of the book. They have more left from the sales then most here will make in a life time.

And the movie comes out in 2015.

[JHC]

Apart from the lawsuit drama, it never ceases to amaze me how people are willing to believe some impossible war stories, and apparently NEED to create superheroes and put them on a pedestal.

There are plenty of heroes (of all kinds) around, without all the mystical properties, but people don't like to recognize that.

You are more amazed by a strawman you just created than by real people.

[foxtrotx1]

The comments in the book never led me to believe he was a traitor, but more of run his mouth. He is apparently employable to be able to afford the 1.8mil in lawyer fees he is claiming to have to owe.
Either way it wasn't a smart move on CK part, but it literally was such a small part of the book, I just read it and got back to the story rather than worrying about that small detail.
I feel the court case is what brought more attention to the small part of the book rather than the actual paragraph in the book drawing the attention of the world.

This is known as the Barbara Streisand Effect.

[Bulletdog]

None of this crap should ever have gone public. None of it. Not from CK or JV. If there were words and/or a scuffle between two men at a bar, that info should have stayed at that bar.

This whole thing is disgusting from every angle. Piss poor judgement and piss poor role modeling from two men that should know better.


Now I need to go back and read some old posts from Army Chief, to remind myself how a man with impeccable dignity and class conducts himself.