Couric interviews Ginsberg

[Bolt_Overide]

Sorry, but that's bullshit. An employer has no business meddling in the care provided by their health insurance providers. You're walking right into the trap Ginsberg spoke about. Your boss is a Jehovah's Witness? Sorry, no blood transfusion for your kid when he gets clipped on his bike. Maybe your boss is a Scientologist. Sorry, no antidepressants for your wife's post-partum depression or meds for your kid when he gets diagnosed with bipolar disorder. Maybe your boss is a Christian Scientist and tells you to pray your coronary arteries open when you have a heart attack.

Where's the line? Who makes the call? If an employer offers health insurance, it's part of a benefits package. It's part of your compensation. Your employer has no more business interfering with the care prescribed by your health care provider and paid for by a third-party insurer than they have telling you what you can spend your paycheck on.

Pretty much this. I think the court got this one wrong. What I get/do with my insurance is none of my employers business. If they offer me insurance, their religion shouldn't be forced on me as part of it.

that said, ginsburg is still a loon.

[Palmguy]

Pretty much this. I think the court got this one wrong. What I get/do with my insurance is none of my employers business. If they offer me insurance, their religion shouldn't be forced on me as part of it.

that said, ginsburg is still a loon.

Your problem is (should be) with the 103rd Congress and William Jefferson Clinton.

[Palmguy]

And I'm saying the health insurance is part of the employee's compensation and the benefits belong to the employee. If the employee elects to use a portion of their health benefits for the birth control of their choosing, that's between them and their health provider. Hobby Lobby isn't paying for the birth control, they're paying for a portion of the health insurance coverage, to be accessed by the employee as their particular health needs and health care decisions dictate.

Hobby Lobby might as well make the argument that they are going to withhold the paycheck of an employee who wants an abortion because they don't want "their" money being used in that manner. It's not "their" money any longer. Nor are their employee's health insurance benefits.

Group policies aren't just a pot of money that you, the employee, can do whatever the hell you want with. The employer explicitly pays the insurance provider for a policy that consists of specifically identified coverages.

[Whiskey_Bravo]

I realize this ain't gonna sit real well with a lot of folks, particularly around here, but there are some seven billion people on this pale blue dot and if some "retarded ass" decides they don't want to add another unwanted kid to that number, I say okle dokle.

So the first 17 types of birth control were just to hard, so Hobby Lobby should have to fund what they consider an abortion so you can be extra retarded? You are basically saying that the people shouldn't at least be half ass responsible for themselves, and make use of at least 1 of the 17 approved and popular forms of birth control because....well eff it my insurance should cover everything because it's my compensation....Merica?


You are correct in theory on health insurance being part of your compensation. It would be great if it worked that way. If it did I would just elect to take what they are paying on health insurance in cash and find my own insurance but it doesn't work that way. And since it doesn't, your employer picks the plan they are willing to pay for(little secret...which includes how much and what is covered).

[TAZ]

And I'm saying the health insurance is part of the employee's compensation and the benefits belong to the employee.

Technically, insurance, retirement contributions and such are not part of your compensation. They are part of your total compensation package. If they were part of your compensation as in a line item on your pay check you'd have to report them as income and pay taxes on them. So please be careful what you ask for.

Hobby Lobby isn't paying for the birth control, they're paying for a portion of the health insurance

So who do you think is paying for the birth control pill or abortion or the little blue pill? Not sure about Hobby Lobby, but according to my employer the amount they paid out for their portion of my medical benefits was a little over $10k. My portion was somewhere in the $4800. Basically my employer paid 2/3 of the bill. The price of the policies depends heavily on what they include in the policy. If they include items that are in high demand like say LASIK or cosmetic surgery the price goes up.

Pretty much this. I think the court got this one wrong. What I get/do with my insurance is none of my employers business. If they offer me insurance, their religion shouldn't be forced on me as part of it.

that said, ginsburg is still a loon.

It's not your insurance. It's theirs simply because they pay the majority of the premium. Their religion isn't being forced on you. You chose to work there knowing what they offered and what they didn't. You are free to go work at Walmart or HEB or Michaels or any other retail organization if that is your fancy.

One thing that we all should pay attention to is who caused this issue? Did the employees at Hobby Lobby sue because they felt slighted? It seems to me that Hobby Lobby employees weren't complaining or leaving in droves. Heck AFAIK they aren't even part of the law suit. Only the HHS seems to think that HL declared war on women's rights.

[Honu]

the fact the gov is forcing a business to give insurance and forcing a business to give abortions is scary in itself


the gov should be out of everything to do with business !!!!!

[Moose-Knuckle]

Your problem is (should be) with the 103rd Congress and William Jefferson Clinton.

Correcto muendo . . .

Religious Freedom Restoration Act
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religio...estoration_Act

[tb-av]

Correcto muendo . . .

correct soup? lol..... or wait a minute... are you saying Clinton was 'tripe soup' ... actually that works for me.. sorry, i read that about the same time my coffee kicked in... pretty funny.

[Moose-Knuckle]

correct soup? lol..... or wait a minute... are you saying Clinton was 'tripe soup' ... actually that works for me.. sorry, i read that about the same time my coffee kicked in... pretty funny.

Oh hell man, me espanol aint so bueno . . .