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    Quote Originally Posted by ToeTagger6552 View Post
    Thanks SteveL!! I sent you a PM. I'll give it a run!!
    Sure thing. I hope it works out for you.
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    OP just in case you're interested, Surf, who is one of the industry professionals on this board, posted some good stuff a while back about the BAD in this thread. Skip down to post #10.

    https://www.m4carbine.net/showthread...pper-Lower-set
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    The BAD Lever was originally designed to help clear type 3 malfunctions faster (as you would normally need to switch hands to lock the bolt to the rear). It SECONDARY function was to be able to drop the bolt with your trigger finger. With the invention of the anti-tilt followers and PMAGS, the number of "double feeds" dropped NOTICEABLY. So much so that I have not seen this malfunction in an AR (that is using these types of mags or followers) in a very long time. So Magpul effectively null and voided their own product IMHO.

    I have installed these onto perfectly working AR's and they stopped being able to lock the bolt back on the last round. I have seen TONS of people screw up reloads (dropping the bolt before the mag is fully inserted) and all kinds of other odd malfunctions.

    IMHO, as the BAD lever hangs on your bolt catch, the spring keeping it "down" becomes weaker and weaker. So if the BAD lever works in your gun, it might all of the sudden not keep working.

    The question that people need to ask themselves, is how much faster am I with it than without. Pull out the trusty shot timer and see for yourself. My guess is that you will find there is little advantage to it.

    YMMV.

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    Quote Originally Posted by C4IGrant View Post
    The BAD Lever was originally designed to help clear type 3 malfunctions faster (as you would normally need to switch hands to lock the bolt to the rear). It SECONDARY function was to be able to drop the bolt with your trigger finger. With the invention of the anti-tilt followers and PMAGS, the number of "double feeds" dropped NOTICEABLY. So much so that I have not seen this malfunction in an AR (that is using these types of mags or followers) in a very long time. So Magpul effectively null and voided their own product IMHO.

    I have installed these onto perfectly working AR's and they stopped being able to lock the bolt back on the last round. I have seen TONS of people screw up reloads (dropping the bolt before the mag is fully inserted) and all kinds of other odd malfunctions.

    IMHO, as the BAD lever hangs on your bolt catch, the spring keeping it "down" becomes weaker and weaker. So if the BAD lever works in your gun, it might all of the sudden not keep working.

    The question that people need to ask themselves, is how much faster am I with it than without. Pull out the trusty shot timer and see for yourself. My guess is that you will find there is little advantage to it.

    YMMV.

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    Interesting, that begs the question if that spring is a wear item that should be replaced often with or without a BAD lever installed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vicious_cb View Post
    Interesting, that begs the question if that spring is a wear item that should be replaced often with or without a BAD lever installed.
    I actually don't think it is a wear item (not listed as such in the Colt armorer manual we have). The extra weight sitting on the bolt catch adds up over time. If the BAD lever causes an issue with the bolt not lacking back right out of the gate, then the spring was probably spent since day one.



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    When they first came out, I grabbed a couple to try. Mounted them on factory-built LMT lowers. With the BADs in place, both lowers stopped locking back on an empty mag. They were 100% before and went back to being 100% after I removed the BADs.

    On top of that, the screws wouldn't stay tight. Snug it up, fire a mag, and it was back to being loose and flopping around. YMMV, but I didn't find them to be worth the hassle so I got rid of them.

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    I like the bad lever simply because it lets me keep my right or left hand on weapon grip all the time. But, I don't shoot at bad guys for a living.
    Never had any issues with lick back yet. I'm sure wide receivers have problems with them.

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    I also have a B.A.D lever up on the EE but if you want to give it a go I will also send it to you so you can decide which you like better. For me it was a neat accessory. It is quick and easy to find under stress. My issue is the amount of AR's I shoot. I was afraid that if I kept it on that it would enable bad habits and I would rely on having one, in the case I did not have a rifle with one and musule memory may lead me to reach for it, that mistake could be costly. I am a new to average shooter so right now my habits and instilling correct ones are essential. The beginning of anything is when people do the majority of musule memory learning so I am trying to keep it the same around the board. I also took a class where the instructors recommended another student take theirs off for the same reason.

    I am however not using a redimag. I am intrigued by them though

    Grant you make a point about the bolt catch spring. This is another factor to add to my con list. It's a great piece of equip for some and even though the chances of something like that going south are rare they still happen. Is risk reward in that sense
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    Quote Originally Posted by C4IGrant View Post

    The question that people need to ask themselves, is how much faster am I with it than without. Pull out the trusty shot timer and see for yourself. My guess is that you will find there is little advantage to it.

    YMMV.

    C4
    I would add to this question: How important is it that I/you be faster at these tasks? To me malfunction clearance, and reload times are far less important than weapon reliability, simplicity, and getting initial rounds on target quickly and accurately. In other words getting faster at these things is relatively low priority. Yes, the BAD lever can aid in left handed function, but it can also get in the way of left handed magazine releases. So think about your priorities and choose accordingly.

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    I got one because I'm a leftie, but it has caused problems in my POF, LMT, and Noveske. It's in a baggie somewhere now.

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