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    Hey John,

    In all seriousness, just how "bad" is the glass in a $1500 ACOG?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ron S. View Post
    Hey John,

    In all seriousness, just how "bad" is the glass in a $1500 ACOG?
    The ACOG has very good glass but look through a S&B and you'll see what he means

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ron S. View Post
    Hey John,

    In all seriousness, just how "bad" is the glass in a $1500 ACOG?
    I didn't say it was bad, but there is a world of difference in optical quality. The $1500 wasn't what I would spend, $1500 was the difference between what I spent on my ACOG TA-33 ($700) and an S&B. For that $1500, I could get a whole week or more with any number of top-flight instructors.

    This being said if I was given the choice between a $1500 ACOG and a $2200 S&B, I'd go with the S&B for the extra 7 bills.
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    Eotech 552 for close up..........ACOG TA01 w/ M4 reticle for far out. Both with GG&G accucams for a quick change. Just my $.02.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gutshot John View Post
    I didn't say it was bad, but there is a world of difference in optical quality. The $1500 wasn't what I would spend, $1500 was the difference between what I spent on my ACOG TA-33 ($700) and an S&B. For that $1500, I could get a whole week or more with any number of top-flight instructors.

    This being said if I was given the choice between a $1500 ACOG and a $2200 S&B, I'd go with the S&B for the extra 7 bills.
    If one takes his time and checks around all available sources, the Short Dot can be had for the price of, maybe even less, than the $1500 ACOG.

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    A new, current version?

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    Check out the TA31F ACOG it is prolly the best optic you can get for you AR the TA33 is also good.. it depends on if you want 3 or 4 power or the military model (the 4x model) does not really matter as for me I like the TA31F best all in one optic you can have imo.. very light enuff power to get you out to 800 yards.. I never go past 600.. the Short dots are ok but what you get for the price.. I mean you can just side mount a red dot or mount one of the ACOG for about 300 bucks.. I really never find myself needed 2x or 3x.. I find 4x and 1x to be fine... I really have no plans on mounting a dot tho.. in cqb you can use the ACOG as a red dot.. it takes some time to learn but it is worth it.. the short dot is nice but still you can get a much better optic for less (the ACOG) the ACOG is just alot faster then the short dot and alot tuffer.. if you do want more of a scope then a battel optic then check out accupoints from Trijicon they are just as good as the short dot.. imo alot better due to the fact you get the same thing for a much better price.. I would say go with the Accupoint if you are more of a bench shooter, go with the ACOG if you are going to be doing alot of different types of shooter.. I do bench shoot sometimes with my ACOG and I can pull 1" groups at 100 yards with no prob.. imo you should go down to the range or local gun shop and check them out.. see what you really want befor you buy it.. I mean some things will work better for others.. it all depends on how you shoot..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Battl3fr0nt View Post
    Check out the TA31F ACOG it is prolly the best optic you can get for you AR the TA33 is also good.. it depends on if you want 3 or 4 power or the military model (the 4x model) does not really matter as for me I like the TA31F best all in one optic you can have imo.. very light enuff power to get you out to 800 yards.. I never go past 600.. the Short dots are ok but what you get for the price.. I mean you can just side mount a red dot or mount one of the ACOG for about 300 bucks.. I really never find myself needed 2x or 3x.. I find 4x and 1x to be fine... I really have no plans on mounting a dot tho.. in cqb you can use the ACOG as a red dot.. it takes some time to learn but it is worth it.. the short dot is nice but still you can get a much better optic for less (the ACOG) the ACOG is just alot faster then the short dot and alot tuffer.. if you do want more of a scope then a battel optic then check out accupoints from Trijicon they are just as good as the short dot.. imo alot better due to the fact you get the same thing for a much better price.. I would say go with the Accupoint if you are more of a bench shooter, go with the ACOG if you are going to be doing alot of different types of shooter.. I do bench shoot sometimes with my ACOG and I can pull 1" groups at 100 yards with no prob.. imo you should go down to the range or local gun shop and check them out.. see what you really want befor you buy it.. I mean some things will work better for others.. it all depends on how you shoot..
    Just curious, do you own, have you owned, or have you spent a good amount of time shooting a Short Dot? The ACOG is tough, no doubt, but I doubt it is any tougher of an optic than the Short Dot. I also do not see how you can say the ACOG is faster than the Short Dot. On low power, it is only slightly lagging behind an aimpoint. The eye relief on the Short Dot is tons more forgiving than just about any ACOG I have owned or played with. I ditched two ACOGs due to difficulty in getting proper eye relief while shooting in the sitting position, and that was with a colapsible stock. I agree with your suggestion on the Accupoints, but I do not agree at all that the ACOG is a superior optic to the Short Dot.

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    I have used the short dot but I dont think I will ever own one do to the cost.. and yes it does have nice eye relief and it is a tuff optic but imo I would have to say go with the accupoint just due to the price discount over the short dot and the accupoint is a very good optic.. Alot of people do talk about the glass on optics and I can tell you the ACOG's and Accupoints are just as good as the short dot. I could not tell a difference in glass at all from the short dot to the accupoint and if it does ever brake on you.. youre covered for life.. as for the ACOG that is really weird you had such a hard time with them.. Have you ever tryed the TA33? the eye relief is just as good as the TA11 but the TA33 is much smaller and lighter with about the same power.. I do shoot on a bench with my TA31F and never did have a prob with eye relief.. well when i first got it I knew what I was buying.. I have tryed one out befor I got it and if you are shooting fast the eye relief is not a prob due to the fact you are not going to be to close to the optic and you pretty much just use the chevron like a red dot.. it does take some time to get used to but once you do.. well once I did I knew the ACOG was best for me.. I could see how it would be a prob on a 6.8/6.5/308. but for 5.56 it is nothing.. and for some reason I just do feel the ACOG is faster then any other type of optic, maby its cuz you really dont have to worry about the eye relief or a good check weld.. I also like the Leupold Mark 4 (1-3x14mm) I would get that if I wanted somthing were I needed a true 1 power then 3 power for mid range kinda stuff.. But I find the ACOG works very well for me and alot of others.. I mean shit if I had the money I might buy a short dot but still I would prolly just go for another ACOG or 2 for the price of the short dot.. but like I always say what works for one my not work for another and go try it befor you buy it.. just cuz someone says oh yeah this optic is awesome for me, does not mean it will be for you.. its about your needs not his..

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    I agree; another good option that is often overlooked is the Leupold 1.5-5x. Granted the lit reticle is not going to be visible in daylight, it is still a tough, well made optic that is at home on an AR platform.

    I know it would be ghetto as hell, but I wonder hot something like this would work in helping illuminate the reticle of scope like the 1.5-5x for use in sunlight like the aimpoint.

    http://www.opticsplanet.net/picture-...luminator.html

    There also used to be something similar sold in the cabelas catalog. Might be a cheap way to get Short Dot function, espectially if used on one of the lower priced Leupold low power varibles.

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