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    I've currently got an Aimpoint, an Eotech, and a Nightforce 1-4 for my carbines. The Aimpoint is there becaue it was a god deal. I prefer the Eotech for everything over the Aimpoint. The dot is smaller on the Eotech for longer range and the big circle is easy for me up close.

    My favorite optic is the NF. At 1 power it works well up close and further out it's far superior to the red dots. I can't comment on the S&B and doubt I'll ever own one. The NF with the FC2 reticle is outstanding. With the lit donut on 1 power it's easy to use up close. The only downside might be the length of the tube as you look through it. I get the feeling your FOV suffers because of that long tube but that could just be an impression and not factual.

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    Like Old Grunt, I too have recently ordered an LWRC (M6A2). I am looking forward to getting my hands on it when I return from Iraq.

    I have an optics question that I haven't had any luck in finding an answer to in any other threads.

    I am currently flying as a scout pilot with an issue M-4 with an Aimpoint M-68 mounted (yes, we do shoot them while flying). I am left handed, therefore, I rotated the M-68 90 degrees counter-clockwise IAW the manual to move the battery compartment out of my non-dominant eye FOV.

    I want the best red dot sight for my LW rifle that is left-handed shooter friendly. So here is my question, does the Aimpoint M4S battery compartment being moved down to the 5 o'clock position eliminate the need to rotate the sight?

    I would also like any opinions of whether the Aimpoint T-1, M3 or an Eotech is better for a lefty?

    I have read some great opinions here and welcome good advice.

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    I like Trijicon ACOG due to the fact that I don't need to replace the battery.
    But for my LE use, I have to be able to shoot with gas mask on, I use EO Tech. It is easier for me to use with gas mask.
    It is rare occasion to use gas mask but I consider all round usage.
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    So, no other opinions regarding the preferred optic for a left-handed shooter?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TDrift View Post
    I like Trijicon ACOG due to the fact that I don't need to replace the battery.
    But for my LE use, I have to be able to shoot with gas mask on, I use EO Tech. It is easier for me to use with gas mask.
    It is rare occasion to use gas mask but I consider all round usage.

    Yeah tho I would just have a BUIS and use the ACOG and if I did need to use the gas mask then I would take off the ACOG (only takes a few secs) and use the BUIS since using a gas mask really is so rare.. I think anyone that uses a ACOG should have a BUIS the best are the MI SPLP,ARMS low profile and Troy I know alot of people do use them but as for the people that dont I find it very good to be able to take off the ACOG and flip up your BUIS if you know you are going to be working in a small area for a while to be able to flip up your BUIS and be set. The ACOG does work well in small areas but if you are going to be there a a while and you know it then BUIS can be a bit faster for very close stuff more so if you do not have a BAC model ACOG but still I like to be able to have a BUIS and shoot with Iron sights when I want to. its fun every once in a while.. I mean there is more of a chance of your AR failing on you then your ACOG so it is not so much for Back up as it is having it there when you want it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Avenger11 View Post
    So here is my question, does the Aimpoint M4S battery compartment being moved down to the 5 o'clock position eliminate the need to rotate the sight?
    The Aimpoint M4 cannot be rotated due to the integral mounting system. But yes, the 5 o'clock battery eliminates the little bump of the battery case in the FOV.

    I would also like any opinions of whether the Aimpoint T-1, M3 or an Eotech is better for a lefty?
    Hand/eye dominance is pretty much irrelevant when it comes to red-dot sights (or most optics for that matter). The profile of the T-1 (or H-1) or EoTech are pretty much the same on either side of the optic, so it really boils down to whose cool-aid you choose.

    I am not saying this sarcastically, I am right-handed, but train ambidexterously, and I find red dot sights to be very easy on either eye, whereas magnified optics take a little longer in the non-dominant eye.

    Quote Originally Posted by TDrift View Post
    I like Trijicon ACOG due to the fact that I don't need to replace the battery.
    In 15 years, let me know how fun it is to change out your tritium vials. Has to be way easier than dropping in a battery.

    YMMV
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    Thank you Failure2Stop.

    I have some experience with red dots, enough to know that I want one on my personal AR. I appreciate the information, I suppose I will have to hook up with some shooters in Colorado when I get home to experiment with red dots to decide on where my money goes (Aimpoint? or Eotech?). Whichever is most suitable to my left eye.

    I have mostly written off magnified optics for personal reasons. I consistently hit out to 300m with BUIS or red dots. Anything further and I am going to use something other than my AR (precision gun with a magnified optic).

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    Avenger,
    The Micro T-1 and CompM4S are both very "Wrong Handed" shooter friendly. ;-)

    S/F

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ron S. View Post
    Hey John,

    In all seriousness, just how "bad" is the glass in a $1500 ACOG?

    lol i dunno about this guy he prolly has never used an ACOG. The ACOG has very good glass I dont know if I can say the best I have not used all the optics out there but from looking at most other optics like the shortdot and accupoint the glass is just as good or better then them.. everyone talks about the short dot having the best glass but that is very wrong.. it is about as good as the ACOG but I have used some very high end leupold optics and I think they have some of the best but agian I cannot tell if it is the best just better then the shortdot and acog.. But once you get to the ACOG level of glass you cannot get to much better anyway..

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    I have indeed looked through a few ACOG's in my time, and I thought they were top notch. I'm a professional photographer, so I know what good glass looks like. I use lenses that cost $4k, and all of the "exotic" (I don't care for it) Zeiss and Leica glass. When you're producing images with a lens, you'll notice differences. However, just to look through a lens, you're hard pressed to tell me any difference between them, because you're doing just that...looking through. You're not producing anything that depends on the quality.

    Basically, even moderate differences in glass in a scope will not affect your ability to see your target. However, there are extreme differences between cheap and expensive scopes. Some just don't polish glass properly, others have occlusions (odd, eh?) and yet some are simply cloudy.

    Based on my experience with my Leupold Mark 4, I'd say it's among the top pieces of glass I've looked through.

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